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Neil Bothwick <neil <at> digimed.co.uk> writes: |
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> That sounds nice but is a Bad Idea in the real world where most people |
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> judge things by the default setup. Turns off the nice features and 90+% |
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> of people trying the software don't see them. |
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Really?, Try that approach at a carrier network support center, where |
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new stuff is rolled out to cutomers without first explaing, warning |
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and offering up options..... It's shows a blatant disrespect for |
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the existing customer base. Nobody in business, treats existing customers |
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that way, imho. In industry, punks with that mentality get *FIRED*.... |
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> It seems to me you dumped KDE because it had too many features and now are |
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> complaining that LXDE's terminal is short on features. |
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WRONG! |
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I dumped KDE, like many others, because I got tire of wasting time |
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trying to figure how what the hell happen each time a ran an upgrade, |
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like legends of others. KDE seems to have a bit to much "redmond" |
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mentality for my tastes. You like it, run it. I done with that |
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time-sink you refer to as KDE. Note, I've use a myriad of qt |
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based open source and commercial products on embedded systems. |
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Those efforts do not mirror the "attide" of the KDE camp, you |
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espouse so well. |
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My LXDE environment is coming along fine. Actuall quite wonderful, |
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at a fraction of the footprint. In fact, now that I am emersed |
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in researching what I want and do not want, it's going to get |
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setup *ONCE*. Then I do not have to piss away time on stupid |
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idea that are IMPOSED upon me by others. By going the minimal |
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approach, I'm also freeing up my GPU to use as a general purpose |
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search/sort engine and I am quite looking forward to upcoming |
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version of gcc to offload those sort of fuctions to the GPU. |
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In fact, there is a very large movement of folks going back to |
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basics on graphics and the destop enviorment, as these efforts |
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play very well with the "lighter resource" offerings of a myriad |
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of new embedded toys. So what you do on your desktop can easily |
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be run also on a small net_appliance or internet device..... |
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with the user in control of their resources. |
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> Either run Konsole on LXDE or do wht you suggested the KDE devs do and |
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> run KDE with the eye > candy turned off. The former is probably more |
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> sensible. |
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no thanks. Raw X is just fine for my needs, wants and desires. |
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In fact, it's quite refreshing when I install something like mixxx, |
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cinelerra, or blender, I get a wonderful, full featured graphical |
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experience, without bloatware. |
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> You could take a look at ROSA or Mageia, both of those distros have |
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> implemented KDE in a much nicer way, and you can always nick their |
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> themes and configs. |
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So far, I have not found anything I want that cannot be added to |
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LXDE/openbox. It's a bit of work. But knowing that only the minimal |
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is installed, and the apps simply fly faster/better, leaves me bitter |
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that I wasted so much time on KDE. It's a "dog" that needs a bath |
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and to be put on a very restrictive diet, if it is to become |
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a beneficial assset again. But, I'm an old "C" hack and detest |
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most of the C++ code I look at, so I guess I am pre-disposed to |
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the opinions of an old grouch. You like KDE, I'm glad. |
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Know this, I ran that (pig) KDE for years and years, was very steeped in |
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QT and have left for greener pastures....(LXDE and openbox). If/when I find |
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some I need or want, and it's not available, I'll just hack a patch and give |
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it to whoever. After all, I still have a set of X11-R6 manuals in storage. |
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Hell. with todays GPUs going back to pixmaps and basic logic |
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constructs for pixel rendering is some "old math" I have not played |
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with in decades.... And I'm lovin my desktop again. I have control! |
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peace and good hunting, |
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James |