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From: Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads-up: Several kernel versions have severe EXT4 data corruption bug
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:05:48
Message-Id: 5089A94C.8090404@fastmail.co.uk
In Reply to: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads-up: Several kernel versions have severe EXT4 data corruption bug by Grant Edwards
1 Grant Edwards wrote:
2 > On 2012-10-25, Kerin Millar<kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> wrote:
3 >
4 >> The comment you linked to was fairly bereft of technical content,
5 >
6 > That "comment" was from _Ted_Ts'o_ for pete's sake.
7
8 I don't care it was from the heavens upon high. The only remark that was
9 meaningful in a technical sense was the thoroughly inconclusive
10 "Update", suggesting (but not establishing) that it might be related to
11 certain combinations of mount options. The rest was just hand-waving
12 about how it couldn't be a big deal because, if it was, "lots of people
13 would have been complaining", which is denying the antecedent.
14
15 Let's separate two fundamental issues here. One issue is that of data
16 corruption, which is a big deal. I'm sure most of us would agree on that
17 point. That such an issue is going to generate news - and no small
18 degree of discussion - is a given. People will want to know what the
19 problem is and what they can do about it in order to be safe. What did
20 Ted expect?
21
22 The second issue is that of the scope of the bug. This is where I took
23 issue with the comment. The overall meaning of his comment could be
24 interpreted as "Your collective concerns are overblown because the scope
25 of this bug is minimal. Oh, and I think it may have something to do with
26 these mount options which, being esoteric, nobody in their right mind
27 would be using anyway so, hey, big deal."
28
29 The fact of the matter is that the investigation, even as I write this,
30 is ongoing and no patch has been produced. Consider that for a moment.
31 It doesn't matter how brilliant Ted is, or that you have seen fit to
32 sample his mucus. Telling us all that we should be unconcerned because
33 the scope is minimal *before* he and his peers have completed their
34 investigation and a line been drawn under the affair was simply premature.
35
36 That the bug reporter has since demonstrated that the corruption can
37 occur in kernel versions that don't include commit eeecef0af5 - kernels
38 which we were previously told were not affected - only serves to
39 demonstrate this point.
40
41 --Kerin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads-up: Several kernel versions have severe EXT4 data corruption bug Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com>