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On Sunday, 7 August 2022 07:06:55 BST William Kenworthy wrote: |
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> On 6/8/22 20:42, Michael wrote: |
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> > On Saturday, 6 August 2022 12:08:30 BST Dale wrote: |
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> > ... |
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> > The more you try to escape the 14 eyes Big Brother, the closer you may |
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> > fall |
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> > into the hands of various authoritarian regimes. LOL! Even VPNs like |
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> > NordVPN which operates within the jurisdiction of Panama (let's not |
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> > forget it is Langley's doorstep), it also has offices in the UK, |
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> > Netherlands and Lithuania. I wonder why . . . |
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> > |
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> > Total privacy on the Internet is improbable. If your only concern is to |
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> > retain your privacy from your ISP with regards to your Internet |
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> > connections, then most/any VPN service will offer this benefit by |
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> > obfuscating your IP address. Your browsing patterns, browser User Agent, |
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> > addons and umpteen other OS and application fingerprints won't be |
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> > obfuscated beyond the VPN server. Therefore your identity can only be |
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> > protected so much and no more. |
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> Also, leakage is almost inevitable ... DNS, content distribution |
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> networks, browser fingerprinting, timezones, paying online with a US |
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> credit card, US delivery address and just simple mis-configuration |
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> exposing you to risk etc. My impression as a long time openvpn user is |
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> that TOR and the TOR browser might be the closest to secure for your |
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> purposes? Also, keep in mind that things like online shopping will cost |
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> you more overseas because if you are successful in hiding you are in the |
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> US you will get the international surcharges, or in some cases ordering |
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> IT stuff from the US you have to fill out export clearances (once even |
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> for sparkfun hobby stuff!) :) ... then if you pay with a US card and/or |
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> have a US delivery address they have got you anyway - in fact being in |
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> Oz I gave it up as being no gain, too much pain to use a VPN try and get |
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> cheaper US shopping. I found myself having to maintain two totally |
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> independent systems with one in a locked down VPN with US settings with |
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> all traffic actively blocked from the local network, and use US shipping |
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> and packaging firms that offered facilities to buy on my behalf. That |
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> is much harder than you think - trusting the end points is only one |
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> small part of the problem you are trying to solve and from the Gov |
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> monitoring point of view almost certainly a waste of time anyway as they |
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> have massive resources. The best you can hope for with openvpn is SSL |
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> point to point level security. Just use HTTPS, a good browser and be |
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> part of the crowd - if you are trawling suspect/socially compromising |
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> websites you do not want anyone to see you going to, no matter what you |
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> do there will always be a risk and as a VPN user you are a more likely |
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> target for a closer look anyway. I am sure the bigger online VPN |
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> providers would be monitored closely - at least TOR is likely to help |
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> more than a plain VPN. |
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> BillK |
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TBH I don't think even TOR is to be trusted 100%. There must be 100s if not |
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1000s of honeypot TOR servers set up with the purpose of harvesting comms and |
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associating entry and exit patterns as part of regular internet surveillance |
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work. |
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The best a well configured VPN tunnel can offer is a secure connection between |
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client and VPN server, which is handy if you are out and about using untrusted |
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and insecure WiFi hotspots. In such a case, having configured your home/office |
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router as a VPN server for free will allow you to use your client device as a |
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roadwarrior, which should be just as effective as using some remote VPN |
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service. |
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The only other reason for using a VPN service is to present a different |
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geolocation for the purpose of overcoming country-specific website |
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restrictions. In this case a VPN service works effectively as a proxy server |
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in changing your IP address. |