Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

[Michael Mol]

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:

[snip]

> The problems with that is these:  It worked ALL these years, why should
> it not now?  I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to
> resize easily.  If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy.  I don't want a
> init thingy or I would have put / on LVM too.  I made / large enough
> that I would not fill it up in the lifetime of this system but not large
> enough to absorb /usr.  If I am going to have to redo all my partitions
> yet again, I will not use LVM.  I use LVM to eliminate this EXACT
> problem.  I got tired of running out of space and having to move stuff
> around all the time.
>
> So, worked for ages, then it breaks when people change where they put
> things.  Answer is, don't change where you put things.  Then things
> still work for most everyone, including me.  I'm not a programmer nor am
> I a rocket scientist but even I can see that.  If I can see it, I have
> no idea why a programmer can't other than being willingly blinded.  ;-)
>
> Udev/systemd seems to be the problem.  How do I come to that conclusion,
> eudev people says they will support separate /usr with no init thingy.
> Either the eudev folks are rocket scientist type programmers and the
> udev/systemd people are playing with fire crackers or there is a way for
> this to work with udev/systemd to, IF they wanted it to work.  Thing is,
> they have some grand scheme to force people to their way of doing
> things, which includes a init thingy.  Since there is a way to continue
> with the old way, which has worked for decades, guess what I am going to
> do?  Yep, I'm going to jump off the udev ship and onto the eudev ship.
> The eudev ship may be old and traditional but it works like I expect.
> Now if others want to stay on the current ship, works for me too.  I'm
> just not liking the meals served on the udev ship anymore.
>
> I might add, one of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init
> thingy that kept giving me grief.  If I have to use that thing on
> Gentoo, the first time it breaks, I'm going to a binary install.  If I
> am going to put up with that mess, I may as well have something that
> installs quickly.  That was one thing I liked about Mandriva, install
> was really easy.  It still is.  Ubuntu is too.  Actually, they look a
> lot alike to me.
>
> Everyone can have their opinion but I also have mine.  This worked fine
> for ages until udev/systemd came along.  That's my opinion and I don't
> think I am alone on that.
>
> Dale

What's really missing on Gentoo to make this effectively painless
(even if I'd still think it hackish design) is strong automation for
updating kernels and initrd images. genkernel and dracut both try to
achieve it, but I don't think they've really hit the mark yet...and
there'd almost have to be integration with portage to make things
truly clean...but safely autobuilding kernels is a very hard problem.
And then there's building and pulling in out-of-mainline kernel
modules.

And I don't think there's enough people with the time and interest in
getting either tool updated enough that the initrd experience is as
clean as it is in, say, Debian or Ubuntu. It'd be a major undertaking.

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