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Am Fri, May 13, 2022 at 04:39:51AM -0400 schrieb Philip Webb: |
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> Thanks for the detailed advice, esp Frank + Dale + also Wols + Perkins. |
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> These are my proposed parts for ANB6, wh I will buy from Canada Computers ; |
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> prices are in CAD, of course ; a few further comments from me below : |
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> CPU : AMD : CPAMD00131 : Ryzen 7 : 5700G : 8-core 16-thread : $ 388 |
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> Socket AM4 : 3,8 / 4,6 GHz : Radeon Graphix Wreath Stealth |
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> Mobo : MBGIG00145 : Gigabyte : X570 Aorus elite WIFI : $ 220 |
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> dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 : Intel dual-band 802.11ac wireless |
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> front USB Type C : RGB Fusion 2.0 |
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> Memory : MEKIT00523 : Kingston Fury Beast : 2 x 16 GB : DDR4 3200 MHz : $ 160 |
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> SSD : SSKIT00120 : Kingston KC3000 : 1 TB : PCIe Gen4 : NVMe M.2 |
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> R 7000 MB/s ; W 6000 MB/s : $ 190 |
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> HDD : HDSEA00016 : Seagate IronWolf : 4 TB : CMR : |
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> SATA 6 Gb/s : 5900 RPM : 64 MB Cache : 3 Yr Warranty : $ 110 |
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Interesting RPM. I only knew of 5400 and 7200. |
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> Case : CSDCL00015 : Deepcool D-Shield V2 ATX : Compact Mid Tower Case : $ 60 |
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> CSDCL00019 : Deepcool E-Shield : Mid Tower Chassis, |
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> Black, Tempered Glass, 120mm Fan, Radiator Support, |
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> E-ATX/ATX/MicroATX/MiniITX : $ 60 |
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> Power : PSTHL00007 : Thermaltake Smart White : 700 W |
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> 80 PLUS Certified Power Supply : $ 80 [[ total $ 1268 ]] |
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80 PLUS what? Bronze? Silver? Gold? |
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> Comments : the machine is intended to last 7 years , |
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> so I'm going for more power + speed than I'm likely to use today ; |
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> of course, I don't want to waste CAD, but will pay more for better value ; |
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> I don't do gaming, but I do need a powerful machine for Gentoo compiling. |
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I can’t remember which of the following details I already told in the last |
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thread, but it’s not much anyways: |
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The 5700G sadly only supports PCIe 3.0 due to its laptop nature (remember, |
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it’s a mobile chip in a desktop package). So unless you really plan on |
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upgrading the CPU later, there is no need (and basically no use) for a PCIe |
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4.0 boad and components, which eat more $$$ and ⌁⌁⌁. But the AM4 platform |
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has already reached its end, there will probably be no more processor models |
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than what is available now. So your only choice of upgrades for more |
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performance is one of the X processors, such as the 5700X or 5800X3D. The |
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next-gen processors need the new AM5 socket. |
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This puts me in a difficult spot as well. If I go the 5700G route, too, and |
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should I ever decide to buy a dedicated GPU later (and I know that it won’t |
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be high-end due to price and watts), then the problem will be that |
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lower-tier GPUs these days are PCIe 4.0×8 instead of the old 3.0×16. |
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Meaning: because the 5700G only supports PICe 3, the GPU is constrained to |
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3.0×8 and in effect loses half of its possible bandwith. (However, I’m not |
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sure whether that’s actually a problem or if 3.0×8 actually still has enough |
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bandwidth for what those GPUs can do.) |
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The same issue applies to the M.2 slot. If you know you will keep this CPU |
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for veeery long, and you want to save some $$$, a 3.0×4 SSD is the logical |
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choice over a 4.0×4. I just bought a 2 TB M.2 which has 3.0×4, but my board |
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only supports a meagre 2.0×2, which is a quarter of 3.0×4 (it’s probably the |
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first generation of boards that actually had a native NVMe slot). But I know |
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I will upgrade sooner or later, and so I went for a 3.0 SSD. |
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Re. chipset: |
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Usually, the X chipset distincts (is that a word?) itself from the B series |
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with features for overclockers. It also draws more power and—consequently— |
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requires active cooling (the mainboards have their own fan!). |
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But just the other day I read that there are also passive X boards now. I’m |
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not sure about your model and can’t look right now, as I’m sitting on the |
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train with a small laptop and forgot my power brick for the whole weekend. :D |
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> Mobo : Canada Computers say this is often bought with the CPU ; |
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> it says it can support PCIe 4.0, which matches the SSD ; |
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But not the CPU, see above. The primary M.2 slot is connected directly to |
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the CPU with four PCIe lanes, the other slot(s) is/are hooked up through the |
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chipset, which itself is connected to the CPU by another four lanes. |
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> I'ld like to have WIFI available, tho' I may carry on with landline. |
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> Memory : the mobo will accept 32 GB sticks, but I don't need them ; |
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RAM can only be replaced with more RAM. ;-) I also have 32 GB at the mo’. |
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> I've had good experiences with Kingston. |
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There are serveral of your mentioned Kingston 3200 around. Check if you |
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selected the one with the lower latency (the group of numbers like |
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16-18-18…). AMD graphics benefit hugely from good RAM performance. |
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> SSD : PCIe 4 is much faster than PCI 3 ; 1 TB is enough. |
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PCIe 4 is twice as fast as 3.0, but not available with the 5700G. ;-) |
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> Case : I'm inclined to get '19', |
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> but wonder if there's a serious diffence between 'ATX' vs 'ATXe' : |
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> any advice wb welcome. |
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What do you mean with “19”? If you mean a 19 inch rack, then it’s probably a |
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server form factor. Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX] knows of |
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EATX, which is bigger than ATX. But I’d say it’s nothing to be concerned |
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about. It’s probably so small a niche that anything in that formfactor will |
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be prohibitively expensive and made for extreme use cases such as dual-CPU |
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server boards. |
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> Power : the summary says "700 W", but the specs say "500 W" : |
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> the price is a bit more than others which are 500 W |
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> & I can ask in the store, so I'm willing to assume "500" is a typo. |
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Hm… power supplies have different “rails”, meaning parallel hardware to |
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provide a voltage with a certain maximum current. Summing up all those rails |
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may be more than the unit can provide at once. |
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