Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!

[Mateusz Mierzwiński]

I have KDE4. It work's perfect. Try set "Custom-cxxflags" to off,
maybe this will help. From my opinion KDE and QT 4 don't like
customized C/CXX Flags, such as fomit-frame-pointer and similar. Try
to set correct USE flags and first of all - add DBUS to default
runlevel if Your "Welcome" screen don't work - it works for me. You
should also have Hald for X.org configuration. 

BTW. I don't use any desktop mail client - I've chosen GroupOffice
for web client with IMAP support and great tool for my work - safer
because of laptop disk crashes or similar - data is stored external
and it's delivered by OpenVPN with certificate nad data encryption. 

Chromium as major web browser, Subversion integrated with KDE, Wicd
as network configuration daemon. Also Kadu as IM, wine + winamp,
OpenOffice. Not installed Compiz for now, but I have it on my plans. 

Login screen works great, loading is realy fast. Only one problem
with Bluetooth but i think it's device fault - device USB connector
broken. Everyday working with dual-head 2 monitors - KDE 4 detects
when I connect another monitor, soundcard and Xine integration into
phonon works with no glitches. Other tools like SSH/SFTP integrated
into konqueror works great - konqueror itself also perfect!

It's good, it's fast, it's intuitive, it's "better desktop software",
it's XXI century desktop environment, not such as Gnome and funny
"icons trashroom" on desktop.

Why KDE? Because i like it. Don't say that this software SUCKS,
_check_Your_config_. If You have problem try to remove .kde or .kde4
folder in Your home directory and recreate profile.

At Wtorek, 29-06-2010 on 0:50 Alex Schuster wrote:

Kevin O'Gorman writes:

> As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT
this
> thread has gone?
> Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right
people
> will notice your thread....

But I think the title is just perfect! Well, not really, because,
despite 
my constant ranting and endless KDE4 problems, for which the only
sane and 
obvious solution would of course be to dump this whole crap, I would 
really really hate to do so.

KDE got me addicted. I refused to use it for a long time, and had
some 
crazy enlightenment setup which I was happy with, until it stopped 
working, and I gave KDE 3.something a try. I feared that the
complexity 
would make showstopping bugs happen more often, but on the other hand
it 
is of course nice to have an integrated system, with things like the
same 
file dialog for most applications. And so I got hooked. There were
some 
problems, but most of the time it worked well. But with time I
experienced 
some bitrot.

Then I got a new PC, and gave KDE4.2 a try. Many many bugs, but most
of 
them not really bad ones, but some nice new features instead. Like, 
konqueror still crashing often, but with recovery function. Kmail
crashed 
even less - well, this was not hard. And I thought these little
annoying 
bugs would be fixed soon.

But this bugfixing progress was slower than expected. Some things
never 
really worked. And big showstoppers happened, just as I feared before
I 
began this whole KDE adventure. For example, when KDE4's password
dialog 
stopped working. Suddenly I had no access to the KDE wallet [*],
could not 
read or write e-mail, or access my shares. I realized how dependent I
had 
become of all this. Well, not totally, there are lots of other e-mail

clients, and I can do most things in a plain text shell, but this
meant 
some work, mostly because I had a hard time getting my passwords
back.

On the other hand, I like my KDE setup. 8 desktops, each customized
to the 
activity I am doing there. Convenient shortcuts to the things I do,
to the 
locations I access. Geeky stuff. Nice software, like kontact. I
really 
really like this - if it works. When not, I think about dumping all.

Why am I writing all this? I don't know. Kevin, despite me
considering 
your thread as mine now, I will open a new one about specific
problems.

[*] And a similar thing just happned yesterday. I wanted to go to
bed, but 
I had to write an important e-mail first. I started it, and after
some 
lines whole kontact froze. I killed it, started again, and the same 
happened. I killed it, wrote an e-mail to myself, which worked. I
started 
the mail I had to write again, kontact froze after a little while. I 
killed it, wrote the mail in knotes first, pasted it into the
composing 
window, added a CC, pushed the send button... kontact froze. Tried
again, 
same result. Then I used thunderbird.
I looked what I had emerged this day, but nothing had to do much with

kontact. I logged out and in again - and got dozends of notification 
windows telling me that kwalletmanager just crashed. I'm still not
sure 
what had happened with kontact, I guess it wanted to access the
wallet 
when sending the mail, maybe also when making an automatic backup. 
Whatever. I restored a backup of my .kde4 directory that I had made
one 
day ago, still no wallet. But with the next backup, 5 days old, I
could 
log in. I finally found out I had to exchange the 
.kde4/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl file, and all was back to
normal. 
And I could finally go to bed.

Wonko