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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Apparently, though unproven, at 23:39 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did |
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> opine thusly: |
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>> I have no problem with saying someone needs to understand what less |
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>> does. less isn't important. It's just the example at hand today. The |
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>> 'problem' that I'm trying to get closer to answering is how does |
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>> anyone other than a Gentoo dev, assuming some reasonable amount of |
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>> effort, know that less isn't called by some script somewhere during |
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>> the init process? How does one come to understand that maybe less is |
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>> just as import as python is to the emerge process? (and I know it |
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>> isn't...) |
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>> What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it |
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>> altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. |
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>> Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever |
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>> done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I |
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>> removed nano. |
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> OK, now we're tracking. |
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Good. |
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> In the specific case of less, the answer is self-evident - it isn't needed. A |
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> dev would just know that. More likely, he would assume he knows that. |
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> In the general case, they suck their thumbs and guess. Some think more than |
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> others before they guess, they should all do some basic tests to catch severe |
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> errors before committing changes and additions, and all of them rely on |
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> unstable users finding other oddities and bugs. |
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> flameeyes gave some hints and clues into how this works on his blog recently: |
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> http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2011/05/25/psa-packages-failing-to-install-with-new- |
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> openrc-based-stages-missing-users-and-groups |
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> It's specific to openrc, but if you follow his blog it's easy to read between |
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> the lines to see what he's getting at usually. |
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> I don't think I've ever met a dev that releases code any other way :-) |
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> None of the above is fact and all of it is my opinion but I do think I'm close |
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> to the mark. |
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Thanks for the link. It looks interesting. |
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Cheers, |
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Mark |
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