Gentoo Archives: gentoo-user

From: Meino.Cramer@×××.de
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: HTML5 player (YouTube) is a pain!...Alternatives?
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:48:48
Message-Id: 20161130094814.GA23285@solfire
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: HTML5 player (YouTube) is a pain!...Alternatives? by "J. Roeleveld"
1 J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> [16-11-30 10:44]:
2 > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 07:55:11 AM Meino.Cramer@×××.de wrote:
3 > > J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> [16-11-30 07:28]:
4 > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 07:08:45 AM Meino.Cramer@×××.de wrote:
5 > > > > J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> [16-11-30 06:48]:
6 > > > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 05:33:15 AM Meino.Cramer@×××.de wrote:
7 > > > > > > Kai Krakow <hurikhan77@×××××.com> [16-11-30 05:08]:
8 > > > > > > > Am Tue, 29 Nov 2016 07:42:16 +0100
9 > > > > > > >
10 > > > > > > > schrieb Meino.Cramer@×××.de:
11 > > > > > > > > I get sick of this [CESNORED] HTML5 stuff coming from YouTube!
12 > > > > > > > > Most of the videos while playayaingnaying arereare
13 > > > > > > > > stututterutering
14 > > > > > > > > liiklike helellell.
15 > > > > > > > >
16 > > > > > > > > I tested a lot of HTML5 addons to fix that problem and googled
17 > > > > > > > > around the world but nothing helps. The only thing I found is an
18 > > > > > > > > iconic sentence, which is true in this case also:
19 > > > > > > > > "You are not alone...!".
20 > > > > > > > >
21 > > > > > > > > Is there any way to feed the stream from youtube direktly into
22 > > > > > > > > a not blown player like mpv/mplayer or such (I would prefer
23 > > > > > > > > not to load a complete gui (vlc) with any click again and
24 > > > > > > > > again.)?
25 > > > > > > >
26 > > > > > > > For me it was just the other way around. HTML5 mode played much
27 > > > > > > > (very
28 > > > > > > > much!) more smooth than flash player. I opted in early by that
29 > > > > > > > time
30 > > > > > > > for
31 > > > > > > > switching YT to HTML5 player. This was for Chrome, of course,
32 > > > > > > > because
33 > > > > > > > by that time Firefox wasn't really compatible.
34 > > > > > > >
35 > > > > > > > You probably really should check your graphics stack. If you have
36 > > > > > > > an
37 > > > > > > > at
38 > > > > > > > least somewhat decent machine (something which was built during
39 > > > > > > > the
40 > > > > > > > last 5 years), you should have absolutely no problems playing
41 > > > > > > > videos
42 > > > > > > > in
43 > > > > > > > the HTML5 player. Even my aging machine in the office (which
44 > > > > > > > didn't
45 > > > > > > > play smooth videos in the flash player) runs full HD streaming
46 > > > > > > > videos
47 > > > > > > > smoothly in the HTML5 player - no stuttering, no blocking, no
48 > > > > > > > framedrops. This was different with the flash player which looked
49 > > > > > > > like
50 > > > > > > > it dropped every second frame in fullscreen mode - but at least it
51 > > > > > > > did
52 > > > > > > > not stutter due to that "optimization".
53 > > > > > > >
54 > > > > > > > Maybe give some information about your graphics stack and
55 > > > > > > > configuration...
56 > > > > > >
57 > > > > > > Hi Kai,
58 > > > > > >
59 > > > > > > I think that the hardware is not the problem, since downloading the
60 > > > > > > video and playing it offline had resulted in no problems ever...
61 > > > > > >
62 > > > > > > Cheers
63 > > > > > > Meino
64 > > > > >
65 > > > > > Meino,
66 > > > > >
67 > > > > > In one of your other emails, you mentioned that your ADSL is incapable
68 > > > > > of
69 > > > > > providing the full-HD stream.
70 > > > > > This could easily be the cause for the issues you are having with
71 > > > > > HTML5
72 > > > > > video as well. Maybe look into cache-options?
73 > > > > >
74 > > > > > --
75 > > > > > Joost
76 > > > >
77 > > > > Joost,
78 > > > >
79 > > > > did this (~/.config/mpv/mpv.config) with no positive effect.
80 > > > > I decreased the video resolution to <1280 (again via mpv.conf) which
81 > > > > helps to some degree.
82 > > > > Interesting is: It hangs always a the same points in the video if
83 > > > > playing the same video with different configurations.
84 > > > >
85 > > > > I called mpv with an url form the commandline and indeed it shows
86 > > > > "playing video" and "buffering" (at this point it hangs) alternateing.
87 > > > >
88 > > > > The FF problem was not only hangs but something like the following
89 > > > > sentence:
90 > > > >
91 > > > > Thehe quiquickkckick bkrowownwn foxoxfoxx joxujumumpjumpsumps
92 > > > > oveovrver thhehe lazazylazyzy dogog
93 > > > >
94 > > > > Somehow three steps forward and two backwards. The audio was never
95 > > > > effected though.
96 > > > >
97 > > > > With "Play with mpv" it """"only"""" hangs.
98 > > > >
99 > > > > Do I really need an new DSL contract with my provider becayse
100 > > > > FF has switched to HTML5 only?
101 > > > >
102 > > > > Can't be...or?
103 > > >
104 > > > It depends. (seriously)
105 > > >
106 > > > What you describe is what I get when I'm using my mobile connection with
107 > > > bad reception. In other words, it does sound like a bandwidth issue.
108 > > >
109 > > > Dave solves that by downloading the files and then watching it locally.
110 > > >
111 > > > What kind of bandwidth (up and down) do you have? And what else is using
112 > > > that connection while you are trying to watch a video?
113 > > >
114 > > > I don't think it's HTML5 at fault, the same amount of data needs to be
115 > > > transfered, but it might be that HTML5 is less bandwidth efficient than
116 > > > Flash.
117 > > >
118 > > > I don't seem to have flash installed on my current machine and am using
119 > > > FF45.5. In there, with Youtube, I do get the option to change the
120 > > > resolution on the video-streams. Don't you get that?
121 > > >
122 > > > --
123 > > > Joost
124 > >
125 > > I checked the current bandwidth (07:48 am local time) with this
126 > > http://speedcheck.vodafone.de/
127 > >
128 > > and got:
129 > > 2,1 Mbps download
130 > > 0,1 Mbps upload
131 > > 58 ms latency (ping test)
132 > >
133 > > There is no other kind of task which consumes bandwidth
134 > > (while checking the above or while streaming videos)
135 >
136 > 0,1 Mbps upload...
137 > This is really small. If there is a process that is uploading with 50Kbps
138 > (=0,05Mbps), you will loose HALF of your download.
139 > And 50Kbps is achieved really quickly.
140 >
141 > With this, I would kill any application that might use the internet, like
142 > email.
143 >
144 > Anything less then 10Mbps down / 1Mbps up would not even be considered by me.
145 >
146 > > Another (real odd) possibillitu would be: Someone has
147 > > hijacked my DSL modem (its no router) - its an older
148 > > Fritz! box.
149 >
150 > That's always possible. But unless there is a massive DDOS going on right now,
151 > I don't think that would be of any use.
152 >
153 > Do you use a network cable or wireless during tests?
154 >
155 > --
156 > Joost
157 >
158
159 Joost,
160
161 everything is good old fashioned copper...
162
163 --
164 Meino