Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us> wrote:
> On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge
>> thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his
>> co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the package:
>>
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/85792
>>
>> In the end, the maintainer rage-quit:
>>
>> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2551
>>
>> However, this is the extreme behaviour: most developers (and rational
>> people) agree to adding systemd unit files to all packages, and we
>> have much better coverage now that some months ago.
>>
>> If users cooperate opening bugs adding systemd unit files (after
>> testing them in their machines), the coverage is going to grow even
>> faster.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM,  <covici@××××××××××.com> wrote:
>>> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM,  <covici@××××××××××.com> wrote:
>>>>> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov <negaipub@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov <negaipub@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only
>>>>>>>>> systemd, with no OpenRC installed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? Bug 373219 is still open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I missed your explanation at the end about that one. Ok, thanks for
>>>>>>> what you've done :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mmmh, and I missed this last reply of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, dealing with /etc/init.d/functions.sh is basically trivial.
>>>>>
>>>>> But still, we have lots of packages with no systemd units -- shouldn't
>>>>> they all have a systemd use flag and units to go with it -- basically
>>>>> anything which has something in /etc/init.d .  I was looking for a
>>>>> sendmail unit and could find nothing, for one example.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, we are not even near 100% coverage. However, one of the many
>>>> advantages of systemd is that a service unit from a distribution
>>>> usually works as-is or with minimal changes in any other.
>>>>
>>>> For many basic unit files, you can go to
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vonSchlotzkow/systemd-gentoo-units
>>>>
>>>> It has a unit file  for postfix, for example. If the one you are
>>>> looking for is not there, you can search in other distributions. If
>>>> you download the RPM from
>>>> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/21317874/dir/fedora_19/com/sendmail-8.14.7-1.fc19.i686.rpm.html,
>>>> and extract the files with rpm2tarbz2, then you can get the
>>>> sendmail.service file.
>>>>
>>>> It will probably need some changes to work with Gentoo, but it should
>>>> not be difficult.
>>>>
>>>> When is working, you can send your unit to the package maintainer in
>>>> Gentoo, and at some point it could be included in the package (like
>>>> the OpenRC init script).
>>>>
>>>> That's how we will get 100% coverage, eventually.
>>>
>>> OK, I will check those -- thanks.  I hope package maintainers now start
>>> putting those service units in, now that systemd is required by gnome.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
>>> How do
>>> you spend it?
>>>
>>>          John Covici
>>>          covici@××××××××××.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> What's irrational about that guy's reasons for being against the systemd
> unit files? I remember that thread, and he made some decent technical
> points. Unfortunately, the council rejected a systemd USE flag, so the
> best route was shot in the head before it had a chance. Yet OpenRC needs
> a USE flag to enable it... rather fishy.

You need an OpenRC use flag to install OpenRC init scripts? That's
simply a lie. If you don't want OpenRC scripts in /etc/init.d, you
need to set INSTALL_MASK accordingly. The same with systemd if you
don't want unit files in /usr/lib/systemd/system.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México