Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation

[Daniel Campbell]

On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge
> thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his
> co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the package:
>
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/85792
>
> In the end, the maintainer rage-quit:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2551
>
> However, this is the extreme behaviour: most developers (and rational
> people) agree to adding systemd unit files to all packages, and we
> have much better coverage now that some months ago.
>
> If users cooperate opening bugs adding systemd unit files (after
> testing them in their machines), the coverage is going to grow even
> faster.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM,  <covici@××××××××××.com> wrote:
>> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM,  <covici@××××××××××.com> wrote:
>>>> Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov <negaipub@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov <negaipub@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>>>>>> Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only
>>>>>>>> systemd, with no OpenRC installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? Bug 373219 is still open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I missed your explanation at the end about that one. Ok, thanks for
>>>>>> what you've done :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mmmh, and I missed this last reply of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, dealing with /etc/init.d/functions.sh is basically trivial.
>>>>
>>>> But still, we have lots of packages with no systemd units -- shouldn't
>>>> they all have a systemd use flag and units to go with it -- basically
>>>> anything which has something in /etc/init.d .  I was looking for a
>>>> sendmail unit and could find nothing, for one example.
>>>
>>> Yeah, we are not even near 100% coverage. However, one of the many
>>> advantages of systemd is that a service unit from a distribution
>>> usually works as-is or with minimal changes in any other.
>>>
>>> For many basic unit files, you can go to
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vonSchlotzkow/systemd-gentoo-units
>>>
>>> It has a unit file  for postfix, for example. If the one you are
>>> looking for is not there, you can search in other distributions. If
>>> you download the RPM from
>>> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/21317874/dir/fedora_19/com/sendmail-8.14.7-1.fc19.i686.rpm.html,
>>> and extract the files with rpm2tarbz2, then you can get the
>>> sendmail.service file.
>>>
>>> It will probably need some changes to work with Gentoo, but it should
>>> not be difficult.
>>>
>>> When is working, you can send your unit to the package maintainer in
>>> Gentoo, and at some point it could be included in the package (like
>>> the OpenRC init script).
>>>
>>> That's how we will get 100% coverage, eventually.
>>
>> OK, I will check those -- thanks.  I hope package maintainers now start
>> putting those service units in, now that systemd is required by gnome.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>>
>>          John Covici
>>          covici@××××××××××.com
>>
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What's irrational about that guy's reasons for being against the systemd
unit files? I remember that thread, and he made some decent technical
points. Unfortunately, the council rejected a systemd USE flag, so the
best route was shot in the head before it had a chance. Yet OpenRC needs
a USE flag to enable it... rather fishy.