Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

On Samstag, 12. Januar 2008, Richard Marzan wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 07:34 -0600, Dale wrote:
> > Mick wrote:
> > > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Jil Larner wrote:
> > >> Well, it's like if I am opening my eyes. I never looked at what the
> > >> foundation was supposed to do. For a couple of years I've been using
> > >> gentoo, I never get any political announcement, maybe because I didn't
> > >> look at the right place, or maybe there was no. I mean that except the
> > >> Gentoo's Philosophy and the Gentoo's Social Contract, I didn't see
> > >> politic, for my eyes were probably closed.
> > >> It doesn't mean I didn't enjoyed gentoo, its power, its flexibility,
> > >> its community. But I certainly missed something. There are so many
> > >> ways to communicate (lists, IRC, boards, wikis, project pages, etc.)
> > >> that I must admit I'm sometime lost.
> > >>
> > >> Today, I learn we're in trouble. Good. What trouble ? What's happening
> > >> ? Why through the words of Daniel Robbins, I feel some fear ? I feel
> > >> he foresees a dead end and offers an opportunity to change before it
> > >> is too late. Once more, to quote Matrix, "the problem is choice". In
> > >> Free Software, there are often choices where the community can get
> > >> involved in and it makes our strength. The problem is, and is not,
> > >> legal papers. Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an
> > >> Iceberg. Could someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people
> > >> did not do what they were supposed to do : what should they have done
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >
> > > I am equally agnostic of Gentoo management politics, albeit grateful
> > > that people volunteer their time and effort to keep it going.  From the
> > > little exposure that I have had to it all it seems to me that Alan's
> > > views ring depressingly true.  I read Daniel's blog and cannot disagree
> > > with what he suggests - it makes common sense that users views and
> > > desires should determine Gentoo's direction, but I have not read
> > > between the lines to see how might his proposals lead to directions
> > > that I would not readily agree with.  See this excerpt of his below
> > > from OSNews.com in 2002:
> > >
> > > "I very much want to find a way to turn the Gentoo Linux project into a
> > > profitable enterprise. My main motivation in wanting to do this is so I
> > > can stop living from paycheck to paycheck and focus my professional
> > > efforts exclusively on Gentoo Linux development. Many of our developers
> > > would like to do the same thing"
> > >
> > > (I am not critising this statement of his; after all I would very much
> > > like to find myself a sustainable way of being able to do what I like -
> > > without having to spend the biggest part of my day in my current job.)
> > >
> > > Giving a free hand to any single person is not safe in my humble view,
> > > especially if that person is employed by Microsoft - I will find hard
> > > to rest assured that there will be no conflict of interest.  On the
> > > other hand it seems that Gentoo desperately needs *mature* leadership,
> > > which can fulfill some rather significant responsibilities.  From what
> > > I read the current Gentoo administration and management setup does not
> > > seem to be able to behave with the professionalism required to achieve
> > > that.  This makes me anxious for the future of Gentoo.
> > >
> > > Just my 2c's.
> >
> > I have been using Gentoo for about 4 or 5 years now.  I to think Gentoo
> > has well, lost its way.  It seems like a bunch of teenagers is running
> > it sometimes.  They decide something then go back a few steps when they
> > don't like the results.  Proctors come to mind on that.  Users seems to
> > be the last thing on the higher ups mind.  That is not good.
> >
> > I love my Gentoo but I would like to see someone step up and get some
> > things done and some decisions made, even those we may never know about.
> >
> > I just don't want to see Gentoo fall into the abyss.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
>
>  Although he works for Microsoft,

worked
not works.
>  Daniel is the one who created this project

and then he walked away.

And don't forget his stunt last year, when he came back for 2 days and started 
a big fat flame war.
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