Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo......

[Rumen Yotov]

Hi,
James Ausmus wrote:
> On 6/30/06, Rumen Yotov <rumen@××××××.org> wrote:
>> Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> <snip>
>> Hi,
>> Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev
>> ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development.
>> Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc.
>> Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are
>> personal). No flames intended, just info.
>> Rumen
>
> So, one thing that people seem to forget when they see a lot of
> "conflict" going on in situations like these - it's almost always
> (unless it gets *too* out of hand) a Good Thing. The fact that there
> is a large group of developers and users that are willing to go
> through the effort to have such discussions mean that they care *a
> lot* about Gentoo and Gentoo's future. The fact that these things can
> sometimes get a little heated encourages me even more - it means that
> these people are *extremely* passionate about Gentoo, and Gentoo's
> success! If you go through these recent "hot" discussions and
> generalize them, here's pretty much what the theme is *every* time:
>
Agreed.
> Person A: I have this great, cool, new, awesome idea that I want to
> implement to make Gentoo a Better Thing!
> Person B: OK - cool idea! However, I am concerned that by implementing
> that Shiny New Idea, you make areas X and Y worse!
> Person A & B: OK, lets see if we can fix this together.
>
> OK, so, a lot of time, people who make developers are *not* people who
> make good communicators, good mediators, etc. etc., so sometimes the
> interactions don't go down *quite* as nicely as that. ;)
>
So i hope *everybody* will learn something out of this.
There's *always* place for improvement ;)
> However, when you're reading the discussions, always keep this in
> mind: These people are donating their time, brain power, effort, and
> life. Due to the moderately high barrier to entry of becoming an
> actual Dev (the reading, testing, mentoring, etc.), you can be pretty
> damn sure that these people aren't here just to screw everyone else
> over, or to screw Gentoo over. So, why are they here? Because they
> love Gentoo, and they want to help make it even better.
>
Yes, agree 100%. My thankfulness toward *all* devs.
> So, basically, what I guess I'm trying to say, is that - yes,
> sometimes things get a little heated, and yes, sometimes developers
> don't communicate very well <gasp>, but, the cause behind *all* of
> these discussions is a passion for making Gentoo better for us - the
> users.
>
Maybe each one need to make a *little* sacrifice if him/her own
ideas/opinions so to at least give a chance to others, to at least try
to prove their points. The art of making a compromise.
IMHO not all you think/see is true or right (just part of the whole).
Even if thinking (at that moment) that this is *a little* wrong.
> -James
Rumen