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Sam Bishop <sam <at> cygnus.email> writes: |
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> In my mind. Gentoo has the kind of hook you speak of. We just havent |
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> refined it or done a good job showing it off to the world. |
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> The ebuild format is one of the most powerful packaging standards. |
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> An automatic test battery for Gentoo could possibly catapult Prefix |
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> and similar sub projects forward to much greater adoption, and help |
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> Gentoo reap secondary benefits as a result. |
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> Now all the replying is done, here's the big question, where to organise |
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> the bigger picture things? This mailing list? IRC? A new mailing list? |
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> I want to get involved in this because I'm going to be building some |
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> parts of this already. Why wouldn't I want to give back and help make |
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> Gentoo better. |
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Organization is great, but, practical tools are the first step,imho. In |
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order to make this not only useful for Gentoo, but other coders, We need a |
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liveUSB, where folks can download "Gentoo Fever" onto a usb stick and stick |
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into their current hardware and boot up a killer code development system. |
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That way they can work on these aforementioned codes right on a gentoo |
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system and submit code snippets (patches) easily to the appropriate |
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github. They can use epatch_user to test their codes on a given ebuild, |
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very simply or use github tools. They'll need tools so their project of |
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interest can be "ebuildified" with a set of ebuilds, and then tested with |
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codes like "etest". |
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What we need is a dev or a stong_user who is very knowledgeable of code |
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development tools, to use build upon the livedUSB work of LikeWahoa and put |
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together a set of tools, realizing that non-gentoo developers are the |
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target. Surely the accomplished user/coders and gentoo devs all have their |
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customizations set; so there would be no reason why we cannot have different |
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killer versions (kde, lxqt, gnome etc) centric on what given dev likes. And |
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so these liveusb images can be use to bootstrap gentoo users into a pahtway |
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of becoming gentoo devs too. |
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So just put the tools you like and know about and projects on a lived-USB |
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and post back to this list where to download and test it. I for one will |
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download and boot up hardware with your usb stick (usb-3 with a high |
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read/write bandwidth is nice) and look at Gentoo from your eyes. |
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Surely you are capable/willing to do this Sam ? |
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Then another and a another and we will have a family of "gentoo-fever" live |
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media. Then the discussion on a wider basis and targeting the GSoC kids |
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to join us next spring can get moving. From there, Gentoo-Fever spreads |
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back to the universities and eventually to those Mac/Winblows professors |
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that are tenured...... and so on and so forth. |
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If gentoo "celebrates" the systemd vs openrc divide, surely we'll gain |
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from those disgruntled ranks. As an old Deb & Ian fan, I'd be very, very |
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proud of Gentoo saving those openrc_centric deb fans...... |
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"Carpe Diem!" (where's that liveUSB?) |
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The saddest thing is this. Surely we all know individual devs at Gentoo |
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that can individually build a "Gentoo Fever" liveusb image, in just a few |
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hours. The fact that there is little interest among those folks with that |
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skill level, I personally find to be a devastating statement about Gentoo |
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Apathy. They can do (and do) amazing things with gentoo, but so little |
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efforts is expended in a helping hand upward. |
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If I'm wrong about this, then show me a gentoo-fever liveusb from several |
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different groups at gentoo, please? |
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hth, |
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James |
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