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From: burlingk@×××××××××.mil
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:35:59
1 > -----Original Message-----
2 > From: lunarcrisis@×××××.com [mailto:lunarcrisis@×××××.com] On
3 > Behalf Of Henk Boom
4 > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:08 AM
5 > To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
6 > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3??
7 >
8 >
9 > On 16/07/07, Volker Armin Hemmann
10 > <volker.armin.hemmann@××××××××××××.de> wrote:
11 > > because gplv3 removes freedom?
12 >
13 > As far as I remember from when I read it, it does not take
14 > any freedoms which the previous versions did not intend to.
15 > The purpose of the GPL is to protect the 4 freedoms. This
16 > instalment just closes loopholes in the previous versions
17 > which would allow these freedoms to be infringed upon.
18 >
19 > Henk Boom
20 > --
22 The four freedoms:
23 Freedom 0: The freedom to run a program for any purpose.
24 Freedom 1: To study the way a program works, and adapt it to your needs.
25 Freedom 2: To redistribute copies so that you can help your neighbors.
26 Freedom 3: Improve the program, and release your improvements to
27 the public, so that the whole community benefits.
28 For freedom 1 and 3 to work, the code must be open.
30 Freedom 1 is just as important as the other three. Freedom one is
31 almost eliminated in GPLv3. Freedom One is the freedom that was
32 most whole heartedly expressed in the original manifesto.
34 Freedom 3 is the one that GPLv3 is making most important now.
35 It does so to the detriment of the other three.
37 The old GPL licenses say that if you use the code in a public way,
38 you have to make the code you use available changes and all. That
39 deals with software and only software. Stallman used to be so set
40 on THAT mindset (software vs. hardware), that he was in favor of
41 those groups that didn't want to make the source code of every ROM
42 chip they made open to the world, on the grounds that certain parts
43 of firmware are so tied to the hardware as to be indistinguishable.
45 GPLV3 says, if you want to use code in a public way, you have
46 to crack open your box so that people can play with it however
47 they want, and then that potentially compromised box still has
48 to be able to connect to your network if it connected in it's
49 unmodified form. That very much deals with the hardware.
51 Under the spirit of the GPL, one could take code and use what
52 they could. They still had to have the technical capabilities
53 to use that code, and understand the platform it was on.
55 Under the new version, if you don't understand the code, then
56 something must be wrong with the code. If the code is full of
57 machine dependant features that cannot compile on another type
58 of machine, then something must be wrong with the code. Oh, and
59 these strange assumptions only apply if you are making money off
60 of the machine that the code was written for. Otherwise no one
61 will ever notice so they don't care.
63 Free Software is about Freedom. GPLv3 is about religion. You
64 are free as long as you do things our way.
66 That is why I shy away from the GPL licenses. I like the
67 LGPLv2, but GPLv3 is kind of scary. I want code that I make
68 free to be free. :P I don't want to say, "It is free if you
69 are a broke penniless college kid that plans to stay that way."
71 LGPLv2 allows wide use of code, without heavy demands.
73 If I by some miracle produce a chunk of code that propels another
74 entity to the top of their industry, then I have achieved something
75 Whether I get anything in return from them or not. If they
76 are able to take what I have produced and make it useful, then
77 more power too them. If they give back to the community in the
78 form of code, cash, or even morale support, then that is them
79 playing the game by our rules. It is good for us and will help
80 them in the long run.
82 Even if they don't give back code or cash or a pat on the back,
83 if they simply say where the code came from, that will help the
84 community.
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Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? "Abraham Marín Pérez" <tecnic5@××××××××.com>
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