Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

[Trenton Adams]

On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick <motub@××××××.nl> wrote:
> Trenton Adams schreef:
> > On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>something like
> >>>>
> >>>>if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> >>>>        ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
> >>>
> >>>Yes, or as follows...
> >>>
> >>>if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> >>>  auto_unmerge('openmotif')
> >>>  # continue with merge which should automatically be merging openmotif
> >>>anyhow.
> >>
> >>Absolutely not! I don't want portage removing something I may be using at
> >>the time without my saying so.
> >
> >
> > Good point.  Perhaps it should ask then?
> >
> >
>
> Well, it does, by stopping and waiting for you to perform an action and
> either restart the stopped process (if the action you took was to
> unmerge the blocking package), or to forego the stopped process
> entirely,  if you choose not to remove the blocked package because you
> want to keep it for whatever reason (it could happen).
>
> You're assuming that unmerging the blocking package is *always* the
> right solution for everyone at all times (in this case, it's not really
> relevant, since motif-config will itself re-install openmotif), but the
> point of Gentoo is that you are in control. If I am in control, then I
> have to decide what I want done in each particular situation that
> occurs, which is exactly what I have to do with the current setup-- very
> obviously, since Portage will stop until I make a decision and act on
> it. So fine, your new updated Portage informs me there's a block, and
> says, "I could do this to solve it, shall I?" I myself am going to say
> "no", because I want to know the nature of the block, and how Portage's
> proposed action is going to affect the system that I have carefully
> customized to my individual needs.
>
> So I'm right in the same position as I was anyway; the emerge is stopped
> (because I said, no don't go on with whatever you plan), and I'm off
> reading ChangeLogs and the like to see what's going on in the
> environment I'm suddenly dealing with. I suppose that it's all very nice
> to have some extra dialog as if Portage was communicating with me more
> "humanely", but it's just cosmetic, in actual fact.
>
> Of course, that may be because I take time to read some of the
> comprehensive documentation that so many have taken the time to write,
> so I know what a Blocked Package is, so it doesn't freak me out when I
> come across one. So sue me and call me names... oh wait, you had your
> rant already. We'll mark that item "Done", then.

I don't think anyone wants to call you names.  At least not anyone
sensible.  But, I see I struck a nerve on one of my previous posts. 
That's good though, as we *all* need to be provoked to think a little.
 That way we become *wise* rather than *smart*.  And wise is better
than smart. :D

>
> Ultimately, I'm sure such an extra dialog would be a nice thing, but I
> don't so much see it as something to get all riled up about. Maybe it's
> just me.
>
> Holly
>
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