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On 18/02/2014 13:54, Mark David Dumlao wrote: |
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>> Shouldn't sysadmins use the init-scripts for that? |
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>> > If done correctly, permissions should not be an issue. |
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>> > Restarting services without keeping file ownership into account will |
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>> > always cause issues. Regardless of the init-system used. |
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> That's just the thing though. As a sysadmin, how do you debug a service |
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> that isn't starting to begin with? Let's say your new to the service. You're |
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> not even sure if you got the config right the first time around. Or maybe |
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> you're adjusting a setting somewhere, and you're confused why it |
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> isn't taking effect. |
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> All the /upstream documentation/, all the /man pages/, all the /usr/share/doc |
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> stuff will tell you to start it _raw_. The init script obscures the |
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> starting options, |
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> environment variables, and sometimes even the running user from you. What are |
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> you gonna do, play a human shell script parser? Nobody's perfect, do it |
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> enough times and you're going to casually gloss over the line where |
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> --safe-mode is appended to the string depending on the phase of |
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> the moon... |
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I do all of that, I've been around long enough to have learned. Like |
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yourself. |
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ps and tailing a daemon's log file is my standard approach to really |
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verify that a daemon is running. The other side of the coin is I usually |
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start with the distro's init scripts and assume for argument sake they |
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work. When the facts prove that wrong, I dig deeper. |
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The list of daemons I use that are not well behaved wrt init scripts are |
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rather short in reality |
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> If you're lucky, you've never had to start an unfamiliar service, or debug |
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> someone else's unfamiliar config under time pressure... |
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Nope, not so lucky. Not even close. |
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We're getting OT, but by far the worst behaved daemons out there are |
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non-OSS paid-for things for a corproate market. Like Ossec. Oracle |
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databases. Sybase. Anything and everythign that purports to do backups. |
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I shan't mention Oracle's various offerings for business use for fear my |
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brain shall explode. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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