Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am 30.09.2013 01:27, schrieb Dale:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2013-09-29 5:35 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>>> Ok, but... everything I've read and personal experience over the years
>>>> shows that space required for /usr should not change much, especially
>>>> constantly grow over time (like requirements for /home can and will)-
>>>> it may fluctuate (increase, decrease) *a little* over time, but it
>>>> definitely should not grow substantially, so, if you had to resize it,
>>>> most likely it is because you simply didn't allocate enough room to
>>>> start with.
>>> So my experience doesn't matter any then?
>> Dale, that is NOT what I said, and nothing I am saying is intended to
>> be offensive.
>>
>>> My /usr does vary and sometimes varies quite a bit.
>> The question you should be asking yourself then, is WHY?
> To me, it doesn't matter why it varies, it just does.  After each
> update, I check to see what the partitions look like.  The biggest
> change was going from KDE3 to KDE4.  That seemed to make things grow a
> good bit.  Other things I install/uninstall seem to change things too.
>
>>> That is why I had to resize the thing. Saying that I didn't make it
>>> large enough to begin with isn't the point.
>> It is precisely the point...
>>
>> The fact is, there is nothing in there that *should* vary much (once
>> your system is fully installed) - unless you are using it in some
>> non-standard way, and/or not occasionally cleaning out /usr/src (as
>> Alan pointed out)... and if either of those is the case, then as I
>> said, it is your own fault that you needed to resize it.
>>
>> Don't you see how contradictory it is to say that you will change from
>> gentoo to distro-x because gentoo has made a change that requires you
>> to either merge /usr into / or use an 'init thingy', when distro-x,
>> that you say you will change to, USES AN INIT THINGY? Doesn't that
>> sound irrational to you?
> No, it doesn't.  On Gentoo, I HAVE to make the thing but don't know how
> to fix it if it breaks.  On other distros, I don't have to make the
> thing.  If it fails, at worst, I can reinstall in much less time than I
> would spend trying to fix the silly thing.  Since I don't know how to
> fix one and can't boot to get help, then the computer may as well be a
> screen door on a submarine.  As I posted before, if something breaks and
> I can't fix it, I replace it with something else that works.  That could
> be why /usr varies so much too.
>
>> What would be logical and rational would be to either:
>>
>> a) learn how to use an init thingy (which from some more reading I've
>> been doing, doesn't look quite as bad as it seemed initially), or
>>
>> b) determine what is a sane size for /usr, make / an appropriate size
>> to subsume it, and merge it into /.
>>
>> Now, if you don't have enough room in / to merge it, then obviously it
>> will be more painful, but once it is done, you never have to worry
>> about it again - and no init thingy.
> Actually, history proves that wrong too.  I started using LVM because I
> got tired of having to rearrange my partitions and resize things.  That
> was the whole reason I switched to LVM when I did.  Ask anyone on this
> list that has been here long ehough.  I have had to move things around
> LOTS of times because things grow including /usr and /var.  /home is a
> different and unrelated thing.  Funny thing is, I did it several times
> and never even posted about it.
>
>>> When people use LVM, the reason they use it is so that we can resize
>>> things when needed.
>> Yes, and I use LVM - but again, this is only important for dirs/mnt
>> points that have the potential to consume more and more disk space...
>> that potential is simply not there for (a properly configured and
>> maintained) /usr...
> See above.
>
>>> And what is rational for you, is not rational to me.  Since you can
>>> dismiss mine, I can dismiss yours too.   Funny how that works huh?
>> Yep... and you can also dismiss my claim that jumping off that 1,000'
>> cliff won't result in you going splat, but it doesn't change the fact
>> that if you jump off of it, you WILL go splat. I just wouldn't get the
>> chance to say I told you so.
>>
>>
> And what you are saying is not changing anything either.  I don't want
> to mess with the init thingy.  If I do, first time it fails and a
> solution isn't obvious, time to move on to something else.  I like my 16
> year old washing machine and I have repaired things on it a few times.
> If it breaks and I can't fix it, time for a new washing machine.  Most
> likely, a different brand and model too.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>

500gb harddisks are extremely cheap.
150gb for / with usr and you will be fine for ages.

Why are you acting like this is a problem?