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From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Epic list of total FAIL.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:29:16
Message-Id: mr7jjv$6co$1@ger.gmane.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Epic list of total FAIL. by Alan Grimes
1 On 2015-08-21, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@×××××××.net> wrote:
2 > Grant Edwards wrote:
3 >> On 2015-08-21, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
4 >>
5 >>> Earlier I saw segfaults in gcc, and another poster pointed it out.
6 >>>
7 >>> When gcc segfaults, it is always suspicious mostly because the compiler
8 >>> is an app where we know the devs take extraordinary measures to prevent it.
9 >>>
10 >>> The most common cause is faulty hardware (most often memory) as gcc
11 >>> tends to use all of it in ways no other app does. The usual procedure
12 >>> at this point is to run memtest for an extended period - say 48
13 >>> hours, or even 72 for an older slow machine.
14 >> That is definitely good advice. I've run into this situation several
15 >> times. A machine had bad RAM that didn't seem to cause any problems
16 >> under "normal" operation. But, when trying to compile something large
17 >> like gcc, I would see non-repeatable segfaults (it wouldn't always
18 >> segfault at the exact same point). In those cases, I could often run
19 >> memtest for several passes and not see an error. But, _eventually_
20 >> ramtest would catch it. Run memtest for a few days. Really.
21 >
22 > Yeah, I know there's a single bit error out at the end of RAM that
23 > will appear on the third or fourth pass...
24
25 And you're still using it? And when it doesn't work, you blame
26 blaming _us_?
27
28 **PLONK**
29
30 > It just doesn't seem reasonable to demand that every bit in a 32
31 > gigabyte memory bank be absolutely perfect....
32
33 Idiot.
34
35 Of _course_ software expects memory to work. Why don't you stop
36 bothering us and go write an OS that doesn't depend on RAM working
37 properly.
38
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