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Hi Meino, |
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Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 14:15:32 schrieb meino.cramer@×××.de: |
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> Hi Michael, |
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> |
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> I will try (again) to be a friend of Jack (NOT "Daniels" ;) )... |
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> What I dont understand: Why all this hassle with Jack if Rosegarden |
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> has the ability to connect directly to Zynaddsubfx without any |
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> other gadget (see Studio->Manage Midi Devices, start Zynaddsubfx |
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> first)??? And if instructed so, why does this dialog still pops |
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> up and reminds me of a non existing Jack connection? |
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afaict rosegarden relies on jack for it's audio processing. If no jackd is |
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running this window pops up. |
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> I tried the masked version 11.06 of rosegarden: The same effect. |
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> I removed the "jack" USE-Flag from make.conf temporarily and |
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> rebuild rosegarden: No change. |
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I sort of expected this. See above. |
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> Ok, I will try jack...again...sigh. |
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There are some other sequencers in the pro-audio overlay. |
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http://svnweb.tuxfamily.org/filedetails.php?repname=proaudio/proaudio&path=%2Ftrunk%2Foverlays%2Fproaudio%2F00- |
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DETAILED-PACKAGES-LIST |
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has a list of all packages. You could search this page for midi sequencers and |
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try to find one that does not depend on jack. |
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And as suggested before there's media-sound/seq24 in portage, that only needs |
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alsa to talk to synths. |
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jackd is really cool, if you are doing audio work. For MIDI stuff only, it adds |
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nothing to pure alsa afaik. |
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> Best regards, |
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> mcc |
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Hth, |
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Michael |
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> Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@×××.de> [11-08-11 14:00]: |
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> > Hi Meino, |
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> > |
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> > Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 13:04:13 schrieb meino.cramer@×××.de: |
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> > > Hi Michael, |
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> > > |
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> > > Thank you for your help ! :) |
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> > > |
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> > > Here are the versions: |
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> > > media-sound/rosegarden 11.02 |
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> > > media-sound/zynaddsubfx 2.4.1 |
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> > > media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit 0.118.0 |
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> > |
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> > looks ok to me. No idea, why it doesn't work for you. |
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> > |
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> > > I did a aconnect -lio, which says: |
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> > > |
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> > > client 0: 'System' [type=kernel] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'Timer ' |
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> > > 1 'Announce ' |
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> > > |
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> > > Connecting To: 15:0, 128:0 |
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> > > |
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> > > client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=kernel] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'Midi Through Port-0' |
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> > > |
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> > > client 28: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-0' [type=kernel] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-0 ' |
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> > > |
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> > > Connecting To: 128:0 |
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> > > Connected From: 128:3 |
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> > > |
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> > > client 29: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-1' [type=kernel] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-1 ' |
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> > > |
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> > > client 30: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-2' [type=kernel] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-2 ' |
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> > > |
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> > > client 31: 'Virtual Raw MIDI 3-3' [type=kernel] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'VirMIDI 3-3 ' |
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> > > |
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> > > client 128: 'rosegarden' [type=user] |
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> > > |
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> > > 0 'record in ' |
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> > > |
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> > > Connected From: 0:1, 28:0 |
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> > > |
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> > > 1 'sync out ' |
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> > > 2 'external controller' |
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> > > 3 'out 1 - General MIDI Device' |
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> > > |
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> > > Connecting To: 28:0 |
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> > > |
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> > > Then I started rosegarden, which - as expereinced before - pops up |
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> > > |
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> > > a dialog, saying: |
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> > > The JACK Audio subsystem has stopped Rosegarden from |
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> > > processing audio, probably because of a processing |
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> > > overload. An attempt to restart the audio service has been |
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> > > made, but some problems may remain. Quitting other running |
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> > > applications may improve Rosegarden's performance.> > |
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> > > (no jackd was running) |
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> > > |
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> > > When clicking [OK] the dialog disappears only to take a very very |
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> > > short |
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> > > rest an return again and again and again.... |
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> > > |
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> > > In one of these short tiemes of peace and slumber I open the |
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> > > preference dialog and switched off jackd transport, quit rosegarden |
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> > > and start it again only to play another fresh match between me and |
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> > > this damned dialog... ;-/ |
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> > |
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> > Looks like rosegarden cannot work with pure alsa. I did not know this. |
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> > There's seq24 in portage, which seems to be a step sequencer that works |
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> > without jack. You could try this one instead of rosegarden. I don't know |
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> > anything about it though. |
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> > |
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> > > How can I prevent to scratch my skin by the roses of this garden |
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> > > over |
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> > > and over again.....? |
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> > |
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> > We could try to solve your problems with jack :) |
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> > I recommend qjackctl for jack-server handling. |
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> > How do you start it? What use-flags are set for it? |
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> > Another option is to try the versions from the pro-audio overlay (that's |
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> > what I use for rosegarden, jack, ardour and some other audio related |
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> > stuff). Did you try other synths with jack and rosegarden? Maybe |
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> > there's a bug in zynaddsubfx. You could try eg hydrogen to test this. |
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> > |
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> > > Best regards, |
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> > > mcc |
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> > |
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> > Regards, |
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> > Michael |
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> > |
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> > > Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@×××.de> [11-08-11 12:12]: |
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> > > > Hi, |
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> > > > |
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> > > > Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 11:13:21 schrieb meino.cramer@×××.de: |
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> > > > > Hi Michael, |
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> > > > > I had * experiments with jack and nothing works... |
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> > > > > Sometimes there was no connection at all, sometimes after a |
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> > > > > short time rosegarden crashes and/or reports taht the |
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> > > > > connection |
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> > > > > has gone, and so on.... |
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> > > > |
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> > > > this is strange. It simply works for me (tm). |
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> > > > |
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> > > > > May be I has simply combined the wrong things... |
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> > > > |
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> > > > What versions did you try? (jackd, rosegarden...) |
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> > > > |
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> > > > > I have no midi hardware in the sense of keyboards, external |
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> > > > > synths and such. |
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> > > > I see. |
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> > > > |
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> > > > > What I want is to set up a melody in rosegarden and to play |
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> > > > > it via Zynaddsubfx. |
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> > > > |
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> > > > That's what I was thinking :) |
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> > > > |
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> > > > > A midi step sequencer (not sure if this this correct |
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> > > > > terminus |
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> > > > > technicus, though) were also fine... |
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> > > > > Any ideas? |
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> > > > |
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> > > > I think, aconnect (part of media-sound/alsa-utils) is the tool |
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> > > > you want to try. |
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> > > > Start both rosegarden and zynaddsubfx, then use aconnect -lio to |
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> > > > see, |
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> > > > what in- and out-ports were created on your system. After that |
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> > > > use |
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> > > > aconnect to connect the rosegarden out-port with the zynaddsubfx |
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> > > > in-port. |
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> > > > http://alsa.opensrc.org/Aconnect has some details. |
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> > > > I never tried this for myself, so I have no practical experience |
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> > > > with |
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> > > > it. |
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> > > > |
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> > > > > best regards, |
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> > > > > mcc |
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> > > > |
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> > > > Hth, |
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> > > > Michael |
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> > > > |
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> > > > > If this will become too OT simply use my PM :) |
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> > > > > |
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> > > > > Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@×××.de> [11-08-11 10:52]: |
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> > > > > > Hi Meino, |
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> > > > > > |
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> > > > > > Am Donnerstag, 11. August 2011, 03:02:33 schrieb |
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meino.cramer@×××.de: |
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> > > > > > > Hi Michael, |
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> > > > > > > thank you for your info ! :) |
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> > > > > > > What do I need for a midi connection (sorry, I am |
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> > > > > > > at the very beginning of exploring these kind of |
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> > > > > > > tools and jack is everywhere... ;) ) |
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> > > > > > |
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> > > > > > do you have midi-ports in your soundcard? In some cases |
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> > > > > > they are |
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> > > > > > implemented as 5-pol Din plugs (MIDI-standard plugs), in |
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> > > > > > other |
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> > > > > > cases |
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> > > > > > they are implemented via the gameport. Most built-in |
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> > > > > > soundhardware has none. |
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> > > > > > If you have those ports, the most simple (but not best) |
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> > > > > > solution |
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> > > > > > is to connect midi in with midi out, have rosegarden |
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> > > > > > play |
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> > > > > > through midi out and the synth listen to midi in. |
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> > > > > > Afaik(!) alsa has virtual midi-ports, you can use, if |
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> > > > > > you have |
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> > > > > > no hw |
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> > > > > > ports (and which would be more elegant to use), but I |
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> > > > > > have no |
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> > > > > > experience with them. May I ask, why you don't want to |
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> > > > > > use jack? |
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> > > > > > I use it for everything in my studio and I am very happy |
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> > > > > > with |
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> > > > > > it. There's a reason jack is everywhere in this area :) |
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> > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > Best regards, |
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> > > > > > > mcc |
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> > > > > > |
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> > > > > > Hth, |
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> > > > > > Michael |
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> > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@×××.de> [11-08-11 02:45]: |
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> > > > > > > > Hi Meino, |
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> > > > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > > Am Dienstag, 9. August 2011, 21:13:42 schrieb |
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meino.cramer@×××.de: |
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> > > > > > > > > Hi, |
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> > > > > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > > > may be this is a RDQ(tm) (real dumb |
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> > > > > > > > > question), |
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> > > > > > > > > but.... |
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> > > > > > > > > Is it possible to connect rosegarden and |
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> > > > > > > > > ZynAddSubFX |
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> > > > > > > > > without using jack ??? |
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> > > > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > > you could use a MIDI connection. But imho jack |
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> > > > > > > > is the |
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> > > > > > > > way to go |
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> > > > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > > :) |
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> > > > > > > > : |
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> > > > > > > > > Thank you very much for any help in |
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> > > > > > > > > advance! |
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> > > > > > > > > Best regards, |
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> > > > > > > > > mcc |
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> > > > > > > > |
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> > > > > > > > Hth, |
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> > > > > > > > Michael |