Apologies - WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] Systemd upower

[Tanstaafl]

On 6/4/2014 9:47 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote:
> You seem to think the Upower devs simply decided to use systemd instead
> of doing it themselves. In fact, they were always using code, from either
> systemd or pm-utils. The fact that development stopped on pm-utils is
> neither the fault of the Upower or systemd people. They were reduced to a
> choice of one and you blame them for making the wrong choice?

Actually, I wasn't talking about upower specifically, I was talking 
about this whole slippery slope that is systemd - but you are right, and 
I absolutely apologize for my comment about 'lazy devs', and most of my 
other negative comments.

I still don't like the way systemd seems to be devouring everything to 
the point that it is apparently inevitable that it will become the 
default init system for all linux system.

But I also admit that this is more just personal bias against 
Lennart/Kay/etc and all things related to them, all coming just from the 
many threads I've read, and also just fear of change in general (being 
that I am *not* a programmer, and am *not* capable of doing anything 
about this myself, regardless of if I would have the time or not).

So, I will absolutely cease and desist denigrating systemd, at least 
until such time as I can speak from direct personal experience.

First question: is there a decent guide to installing a gentoo system 
from scratch using systemd as the init system?

Second question: is there a decent guide to how to switch from OpenRC to 
systemd?

Third question: is there a decent guide on how to switch from systemd 
back to OpenRC, if I encounter any serious problems on a production box?

Thanks, and again, my apologies for starting another flame-fest, and 
especially for basically abandoning the thread afterwards (busy week 
last week)...