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From: James <wireless@×××××××××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge world looking grim
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:37:20
Message-Id: loom.20150824T171417-241@post.gmane.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge world looking grim by Rich Freeman
1 Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo.org> writes:
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3 > In any case, the notes as they currently stand are not something I'd
4 > recommend to a new user. They're fine for experienced users looking
5 > for the "short version." When I get them integrated into the handbook
6 > I think it will be an overall improvement and usable for new users.
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8 Harry indicated he had been using Gentoo a long time. Harry was
9 looking for "iso" or what I interpreted as easy installation choices.
10 I spend the weekend updated some vintage boxes from around 2010 as the
11 last update. Educational to say the least. distcc is need and a better
12 massive archive of the /distfiles/ as I wasted more time trying to
13 find over versions of things like gnuconfig and such. Other that
14 that, I just removed KDE and updated the portage and @system. I did
15 drop the profile to the simplest version I could and only updated
16 critical codes like bash, python and gcc. Actually, it was very
17 easy and could be "automated" too. Just wait until it's about 8 months
18 old on the snapshot updates and then wait (forever) for a current emerge
19 --sync......
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21 Harry's description of the VM details was unclear
22 so that motivated me to put your instructions up as a reference for
23 Harry to read. I understand it's not finished, but VM installs of Gentoo
24 are interesting to lots of folks to read about, even if they are
25 not quite ready to recommend to a noob. Harry is not a noob, probably just
26 busy and a bit gentoo_lazy like many of us. I remember Harry and he
27 seemed 'confident' with gentoo before......
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29 I agree with all you have said, and it sounds good; particularly the
30 part on keeping openrc or systemd choices simple to understand and follow
31 regardless of the choice a user makes. This duality (systemd and openrc)
32 is keenly interesting at this time in linux evolution and Gentoo is
33 uniquely strong in this consternation dichotomy.
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36 Your plans do sound very attractive. I'm ultimately a believer in that
37 we need to have a matrix of installation options based on refinement
38 of the those earlier 'PreQualifying Questions' I posted. I think I'm
39 going to purse that, so that many different installation semantics
40 for gentoo and gentoo derivatives close to the tree are available for
41 all to enjoy. There are other works progressing on installation semantics
42 and for me, this is all very exciting. I shall await your postings
43 for further testing. Are you going to roll out some "notes" on putting
44 raid-1::btrfs onto HD? Or just the VM install?
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47 I think the more different ways folks approach installing Gentoo, the better
48 and it is quite educational to look at the different approaches in the
49 various install semantics for gentoo. I'm personally looking forward to the
50 'stage-4' offerings and have been playing around myself with clonezilla [1].
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53 I, and many others certainly do appreciate your work and explanations
54 and perspective on installing gentoo. I do agree that genkernel is dated too.
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56 James
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58 [1] http://clonezilla.org/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge world looking grim Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>