Re: [gentoo-user] Bounced messages

[Gregory Rudolph]

A lot of the time, even with SPF, DKIM etc your messages will be marked
as spam if you have a PGP signature, PDF file, or anything else and are
sending from an unusual domain (ie not gmail/microsoft hosted domain).
My messages do it all the time.

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On 11/5/19 7:50 PM, mad.scientist.at.large@××××××××.com wrote:
> Spam filters are pathetic, they rarely catch spam.  Mine actually marks my own post to this list as spam and puts them in the spam folder, along with other messages sporadically.  If you want to stop spam use a "black list" of open relays, that works.  It also helps if you aggressively report it to all admins in the mail chain and any one hosting them.  I know I've been on the "don't spam this guy" list, they quickly figure out that some people will bust them hard and quick!  On my other email account (different provider) I've turned the spam filter off with no problems.  It also helps if you don't use antisocial media.
>
> -- “The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching!”
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> Nov 5, 2019, 17:39 by rdalek1967@×××××.com:
> Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 11/1/19 2:00 PM, Dale wrote:
> I think we came to the conclusion that one person is causing this.
>
> I don't agree with that conclusion.
>
> The only message I noticed missing was from one person.  Since they are
> coming from one person, that is the cause.  If the messages was from
> more than one person, then maybe there could be another conclusion. 
> Basically his emails trigger the spam alarm and it gets marked before
> or upon receipt by gmail.  It doesn't even make it to my in box.
>
> I don't know if spam is the proper term per say, but it's certainly in
> the email hygiene category.
> Now how a individual can find themselves in a place where their
> emails are marked as spam like that, one can only guess.
>
> I don't need to guess.
>
> Any subscriber that posts to the list from an email domain that
> employs contemporary security; i.e. SPF, and DKIM, and DMARC, all with
> strict settings, will likely cause this to happen for subscribers that
> have email with a provider that honors said strict security.
> Thanks for the info.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Note:  I expect this larger problem to get considerably worse (across
> mailing lists in general) before it gets better.  Some governments
> around the world are mandating that any business that partners with
> the government in any way must implement the contemporary technologies
> that I'm talking about.  Germany and the U.S.A. come to mind.  I don't
> know of other examples off hand.
>
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> Based on posts from others, I suspect you are right. Sad to say but
> mailing lists are not as popular it seems as they once was and one could
> wonder if some of this is designed to make it harder for mailing lists
> to stay active.  While Alan's messages in the past were sort of
> spam-ish, it's not really something that should be marked that way. 
> They shoulod get through and if the list maintainers think his messages
> should be rejected for some reason, then they should be dealt with on
> the Gentoo end of things. 
>
> Either way, at least we know it isn't that some Gentoo server is having
> a problem.  That was my main concern. 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
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