Re: [gentoo-user] Deficient Gnome Window Frames

[gevisz]

2013/9/6 Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com>

> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM, gevisz <gevisz@×××××.com> wrote:
> > 2013/9/6 gevisz <gevisz@×××××.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/9/5 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
> >>>
> >>> On 05/09/2013 14:51, gevisz wrote:
> >>> > Usually, when I open a new window frame in Gnome 2, I have a Close,
> >>> > Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons on its upper-right corner.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sometimes, however, especially when I open a supplementary window
> frame
> >>> > from a running program, its upper (text) bar contains only the Close
> >>> > button with no possibility to maximize the window frame to the whole
> >>> > screen, and it is extremely inconvenient.
> >>> >
> >>> > I do remember that I had a similar problem in Gnome 2 under Ubuntu
> but
> >>> > somehow managed to get to the configuration where almost all my
> windows
> >>> > had Maximize/Restore and Minimize buttons. The only exception was the
> >>> > Firefox sub-window to save a bookmark. :^(
> >>> >
> >>> > Just now, I have tries FXCE and found out that it opens all the
> >>> > sub-windows with the Maximize/Restore, Close and Minimize buttons
> "out
> >>> > of the box" and without recompilation of all the programs that do not
> >>> > do
> >>> > the same in Gnome (except for the Firefox bookmark sub-window, of
> >>> > course).
> >>> >
> >>> > However, I am reluctant to migrate to FXCE right now because at the
> >>> > moment I cannot achieve the same look-and-feel as in my Gnome
> >>> > (especially, I miss the the all-in-one clock-calendar-weather applet
> >>> > with the world map showing the daytime at different locations).
> >>> >
> >>> > Could anybody advise me how to get the Close, Maximize/Restore and
> >>> > Minimize buttons in all window frames in Gnome 2.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I think the true answer is
> >>>
> >>> "You can't. The Gnome devs know better than you what you want"
> >>>
> >>> I'm happy to be proved wrong though.
> >>>
> >>> If it bothers you, just migrate to XFCE and deal with the pain. It will
> >>> last only a short time.
> >>>
> >>> Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@×××××.com
> >>>
> >>
> >> Currently, Gnome works better than Xfce for me, because so far
> >>
> >> 1)  I found no way to switch keyboard layout from English to any other
> >>      language (while Gnome and DWM do this after tackling with evdev
> >>      configs),
> >>
> >> 2) Gnome allows more combinations for hot key bindings, for example,
> >>      I can not assign <Win>+<Shift>+<any letter> to any program launcher
> >>      in Fxce, while it does work in Gnome,
> >>
> >> 3) installing Orange in FXCE involves unmasking some dependent
> >>     packages, but I like to stick to the stable thread.
> >>
> >> All in all, I do understand why Linus said that Xfce is a step back
> >> compared to Gnome 2
> >> (but I still have not got why Xfce is a big step forward compared with
> >> Gnome 3 :^), as
> >> have not tried it so far).
> >>
> >> P.S. I will probably post a separate question, but if somebody can
> >>         explain how to setup language keyboad layout switch in Fxce,
> >>         you are welcome. :^)
> >>
> >>         I set up toggling the keyboard layout to <rWin> key in
> >>        /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf as follows:
> >>
> >>        Option "XkbOptions"
> >> "grp:rwin_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:menu,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
> >>
> >>        It works for  Gnome and DWM but not for Xfce. :^(
> >>
> >>        Moreover, I need the keyboard layout indicator somewhere on the
> >> Xfce panel,
> >>        but could not find any.
> >>
> >
> > A short update: after installing xfce4-xkb-plugin, which was not
> included in
> > the xfce4-meta package
> > (and I did not noticed it earlier), I finally got a keyboard layout
> > indicator. At first, it did not work, that is,
> > I could not switch a keyboard layout in no way. However, later, after
> > changing some of the plugin's
> > settings, it suddenly started to switch the keyboard layout.
> Interestingly,
> > the applet continued to switch
> > the keyboard layout even after I have changed all its settings to the
> > original ones. Magically, the <rWin>
> > key also started to switch the keyboard layout.
> >
> > So, my first and most important objection against Xfce4 is no more valid.
> > The third one is not
> > so important. Only the second is a bit annoying but one can live with it.
> > :^)
> >
> > Now, my Xfce4 looks almost like my Gnome2. Its weather applet is even
> more
> > informative. :^)
>
> If you want GNOME 2, you should try MATE. GNOME 2 is unsupported; It's
> been years since somebody actually worked on it. Bugs, bitrot and
> security vulnerabilities are probably (if not surely) present in the
> code base.
>
> MATE supposedly tries to keep GNOME 2 alive (although its homepage is
> down).
>
--
> Canek Peláez Valdés
> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>
>
But I have not found MATE in portage...

Anyway, it is not so important now, as I have already almost satisfied with
my present Xfce setup.

Thank you for the reply and have a nice weekend.