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From: Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dynamic IP address services.
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2016 23:12:17
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dynamic IP address services. by "J. Roeleveld"
1 On 08/11/2016 23:20, J. Roeleveld wrote:
2 > On November 8, 2016 9:52:51 PM GMT+01:00, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
3 >> On 08/11/2016 22:00, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
4 >>> On 2016-11-08 13:12, Alan McKinnon wrote:
5 >>>
6 >>>> Why are you even trying to do this yourself?
7 >>>
8 >>> Because mail is by far the best digital communication channel I know
9 >> for
10 >>> me (with my preference for text and logic over image and fuzzy
11 >> feeling),
12 >>> and so I want to do it as close to perfect as I can.
13 >>>
14 >>
15 >>
16 >> Why do you think you can do mail mail than your ISP can do mail?
17 >
19 You know, dealing with 10,000,000 inbound mails a day usually means
20 something suffers. And if you're using the free ISP service, you go in
21 the big bucket of spam rules:
23 > When said ISP starts blocking legitimate email from people I correspond with on a regular basis who use gmail and hotmail, they become as reliable as old fashioned mail services have become.
25 I can't really comment. Are these people considered spammers by track
26 record by your ISP?
28 > And the blocking is done silently and can't be disabled.
30 Yes that is quite usual. The rules are global (or at least wide in
31 scope) and the admins put them in for a reason. Perhaps they will tell
32 you what the reason is
34 >
35 > That already made me start looking for alternatives.
36 >
37 > When they then refused to relay emails using my own domain even though I am inside their network and am not sending large amounts of email. I ended up using those alternatives.
39 Correct again. When ISPs let their customers send their own mail out
40 from their regular customer ranges, and that mail is
41 spammy/malwarey/dodgy/goes on RBL's, then the entire ISP block gets a
42 bad rep and everyone suffers
44 >
45 > I would prefer to use my ISP to handle the mail deliveries, but when they are this incompetent....
47 Or maybe you were using their free mail service.
49 Most ISPs offer managed mail (at a price).
51 It's the old story after all: cheap, good, fast. Pick any two.
53 --
54 Alan McKinnon
55 alan.mckinnon@×××××.com


Subject Author
[gentoo-user] Re: Dynamic IP address services. Ian Zimmerman <itz@×××××××.net>
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dynamic IP address services. "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org>