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From: Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:52:43
Message-Id: 201105132050.42182.michaelkintzios@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? by Walter Dnes
1 On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote:
2 > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
3 >
4 > > On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
5 > > > > KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
6 > > > > curve.
7 > > > >
8 > > > Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
9 > > >
10 > > > guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
11 > > >
12 > > > IBM walked away from their market leading AT. Rather than put a 386
13 > > >
14 > > > cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed.
15 > > >
16 > > > Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based
17 > > >
18 > > > Wordstar product. People were begging and pleading with them to patch
19 > > > it to recognize subdirectories. Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar,
20 > > > and came up with a "user friendly" menu-driven abortion called
21 > > > Wordstar 2000. That was the end.
22 > > >
23 > > > Do you see a pattern here?
24 > >
25 > > The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
26 > > implying they are the norm.
27 > >
28 > > Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
29 > > floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict
30 > > where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all
31 > > the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough.
32 > > The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to
33 > > innovate in case someone doesn't like it.
34 >
35 > Floppy disks were being sold long after hard disks were invented.
36 > Ditto for CDs after DVDs came out. If Coca Cola had brought out "New
37 > Coke" *IN ADDITION TO" "Coke Classic", it wouldn't have been a problem.
38 > "New Coke" would've died more quickly, and Coca Cola wouldn't have seen
39 > so much backlash. Corporations (IBM's biggest customers) were begging
40 > and pleading for ATs with a 386 CPU, not proprietary PS/2s. IBM ceased
41 > to manufacture ATs, and said PS/2s or nothing. IBM is no longer a force
42 > in the corporate desktop market. If Micropro had added directory
43 > support to Wordstar 3.3, it would've been around a lot longer, and
44 > Wordstar 2000 wouldn't have been the death blow it was.
45 >
46 > Hard drives and DVDs competed against their predecessors and won.
47 > They were obviously superior. But if your new and allegedly "improved"
48 > product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
49 > generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
50 > older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious that the
51 > "new and improved" product is a piece of crap.
52
53 You are confusing matters.
54
55 The launch of "new & improved" product is often a matter of designed
56 obsolescence of the old product for the purpose of generating additional
57 sales. In a (pseudo)competitive capitalistic model this is what most consumer
58 goods have been doing, canibalising their own previous generation of products.
59
60 In a FOSS model this argument does not stand or make much sense. I think that
61 the KDE devs made a strategic design decision and took KDE4 in a different
62 direction than KDE3. Some of us we happier with the KDE3 ... a selection of
63 apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what
64 not.
65
66 What is common between your examples and KDE is (perhaps?) the lack of
67 adequate market research and testing.
68
69 What-ever, life moves on of course and the wrinkles on KDE4 are being ironed
70 out.
71 --
72 Regards,
73 Mick

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