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From: Fernando Villareal <xxmel0nxx@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Digest of gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org issue 2724 (141378-141427)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 18:59:01
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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, <gentoo-user+help@l.g.o> wrote:

> Topics (messages 141378 through 141427): > > [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? > 141378 - felix@×××××××.com > > [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? > 141379 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? > 141380 - felix@×××××××.com > > [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections > 141381 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections > 141382 - "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org> > > [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections > 141383 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? > 141384 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? -- grub2 comments > 141385 - "G.Wolfe Woodbury" <redwolfe@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections > 141386 - "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org> > > [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections > 141387 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? -- grub2 comments > 141388 - felix@×××××××.com > > [gentoo-user] Re: modem configuration > 141389 - Philipp Kraus <philipp.kraus@×××××××××.de> > > [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro > 141390 - Graham Murray <graham@×××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] Re: How do I determine the processor type? > 141391 - Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Re: How do I determine the processor type? > 141392 - Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 > 141393 - Alexandre Paz Mena <erzapito@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend > 141394 - Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Re: modem configuration > 141395 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend > 141396 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend > 141397 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] new machine : a few small queries > 141398 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141399 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> > > [gentoo-user] bibletime segmentation fault > 141400 - Gene Hannan <gjhannan@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] new machine : a few small queries > 141401 - Philip Webb <purslow@××××××××.net> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141402 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141403 - Philip Webb <purslow@××××××××.net> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141404 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141405 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141406 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141407 - William Kenworthy <billk@×××××××××.au> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141408 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu> > > [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation > 141409 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 > 141410 - Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death... > 141411 - Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 > 141412 - Alexandre Paz Mena <erzapito@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141413 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141414 - Randolph Maaßen <r.maassen60@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141415 - Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141416 - Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141417 - Marc Joliet <marcec@×××.de> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141418 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141419 - Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death... > 141420 - Michael Hampicke <gentoo-user@××××.biz> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141421 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> > > [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death... > 141422 - Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3 > 141423 - Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Offline Update > 141424 - Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> > > [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python.... > 141425 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk> > > [gentoo-user] Offline Update > 141426 - Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> > > [gentoo-user] Offline Update > 141427 - Bryan Gardiner <bog@××××××.net> > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:26:41AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: > > felix@×××××××.com wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:45:51AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: > > >> felix@×××××××.com wrote: > > >>> I have a shiny new System76 laptop with a "3rd Generation Intel Core > i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading)". > > >>> > > >>> It comes with Ubuntu, so naturally my first move was to split the > Ubuntu partition in half and install gentoo. I will say no more about my > first experiences with Unity. > > >>> > > >>> The Ubunto uname -a says "3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24 > 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux". > > >> Take note - it's a x86_64 host environment. > > >> > > >>> I installed the latest stage3 tarball and set up make.conf as > > >> Which stage3 tarball exactly? > > > > > > Maybe that's part of my confusion -- I was following the x86 handbook, > not amd64, because it's not amd. But if amd64 should be used for all 64 > bit installs, that's probably my problem. > > > > > > As for the exact stage3 tarball, the ftp choice was > "gentoo/releases/x86/current-stage3". This was about Sep 10. > > > > > > > It will work if you chroot as described in my previous message. linux32 > > is a symlink to setarch so you can read the setarch manpage if you're > > curious as to why it is necessary. Still, unless you have a particular > > reason not to avoid using an amd64 stage tarball, I'd suggest starting > > over with one. > > Nope, just ignorance, thinking that amd64 shouldn't be used with an intel > processor. > > -- > ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. > Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com > GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license > #4933 > I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of > room o > > felix@×××××××.com wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:26:41AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: > >> felix@×××××××.com wrote: > >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:45:51AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote: > >>>> felix@×××××××.com wrote: > >>>>> I have a shiny new System76 laptop with a "3rd Generation Intel Core > i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading)". > >>>>> > >>>>> It comes with Ubuntu, so naturally my first move was to split the > Ubuntu partition in half and install gentoo. I will say no more about my > first experiences with Unity. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Ubunto uname -a says "3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24 > 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux". > >>>> Take note - it's a x86_64 host environment. > >>>> > >>>>> I installed the latest stage3 tarball and set up make.conf as > >>>> Which stage3 tarball exactly? > >>> Maybe that's part of my confusion -- I was following the x86 handbook, > not amd64, because it's not amd. But if amd64 should be used for all 64 > bit installs, that's probably my problem. > >>> > >>> As for the exact stage3 tarball, the ftp choice was > "gentoo/releases/x86/current-stage3". This was about Sep 10. > >>> > >> It will work if you chroot as described in my previous message. linux32 > >> is a symlink to setarch so you can read the setarch manpage if you're > >> curious as to why it is necessary. Still, unless you have a particular > >> reason not to avoid using an amd64 stage tarball, I'd suggest starting > >> over with one. > > Nope, just ignorance, thinking that amd64 shouldn't be used with an > intel processor. > > > > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho > Intel came along later on and the name just stuck. That's a very short > version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may > come along and correct something. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or > how you interpreted my words! > > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 09:42:42PM -0500, Dale wrote: > > > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of > > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho > > Intel came along later on and the name just stuck. That's a very short > > version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may > > come along and correct something. > > I sort of knew that, but I haven't kept up with all the processor > names, and linux the kernel merged x86 and amd64 in some fashion, or > was it x86 and x86_64? /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is a > symlink to the x86. It's all very confusing, and one of the gentoo > docs says iCore2 is Xeon, so what do I know about iCore7? > > Kernel compile finished, 16 minutes (SSD sure speeds it up). I'll > finish the setup tomorrow. At some point I have to figure out where > Ubuntu hides the boot config so I can add an entry for the gentoo install. > > -- > ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. > Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com > GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license > #4933 > I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of > room o > > Howdy, > > Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has > both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I > could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB > connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I > could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is > serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the > serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. > Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make > sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one > advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection > all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol > > So, since I already have everything set up for serial connections, > should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > > P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or > how you interpreted my words! > > > Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: >> >> Howdy, >> >> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has >> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I >> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB >> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I >> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is >> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the >> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. >> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make >> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one >> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection >> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol >> >> So, since I already have everything set up for se >> rial >> connections, >> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> >> >> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ >> >> > Dale. > > It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality > between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for > the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use) > > How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you > configure it. > > In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to give > any meaningfull answers :) > > Which UPS and which UPS software are you using? > > -- > Joost > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: >> >> Howdy, >> >> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has >> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I >> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB >> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I >> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is >> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the >> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. >> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make >> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one >> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection >> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol >> >> So, since I already have everything set up for se >> rial >> connections, >> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> >> >> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ >> >> > Dale. > > It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality > between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for > the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use) > > How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you > configure it. > > In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to give > any meaningfull answers :) > > Which UPS and which UPS software are you using? > > -- > Joost > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > Ooops. I thought I put the model. It's a CyberPower 1350AVR. My old UPS > is a CyberPower 1250AVR but it is about 10 years old. I have one working > plug left on the back of it. I literally wore the plugs out. lol > > According to the book, and the box, the new one uses powerpanel which is > the same as I use on the old UPS. Since it uses the same drivers/software, > I figure it will work like my old one does. Then again, this is newer so > that's why I ask. My old one has LEDs on it where this one has a display > with more info than my old one. > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070 > > I don't yet have the UPS hooked up to the puter. I'm letting the battery > charge overnight first. It says it is fully charged but still. Also, if > it is going to blow up or something, I'd rather it do all that before I > plug my rig up to it. o_O > > Thanks. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! > > > felix@×××××××.com wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 09:42:42PM -0500, Dale wrote: > > > >> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of > >> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho > >> Intel came along later on and the name just stuck. That's a very short > >> version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may > >> come along and correct something. > > I sort of knew that, but I haven't kept up with all the processor > > names, and linux the kernel merged x86 and amd64 in some fashion, or > > was it x86 and x86_64? /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is a > > symlink to the x86. It's all very confusing, and one of the gentoo > > docs says iCore2 is Xeon, so what do I know about iCore7? > > > > Kernel compile finished, 16 minutes (SSD sure speeds it up). I'll > > finish the setup tomorrow. At some point I have to figure out where > > Ubuntu hides the boot config so I can add an entry for the gentoo > install. > > > > > I didn't say it wasn't confusing. ;-) Heck, I think I asked questions > here when I built my new rig which is sort of the reason why I > remember. From some discussions I have seen, I think some CPUs need a > rocket scientist to figure out what to use. I'm sure there is a rule > book somewhere. lol > > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else > will. ROFL > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or > how you interpreted my words! > > > On 09/15/2012 12:28 AM, Dale wrote: > > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall > > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which > > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to > > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if > > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers > > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else > > will. ROFL Dale :-) :-) > grub2 is a completely rewritten animal, so it is *different* > > grub2-install /dev/sd?? > > is the incantation to put grub2 onto the selected boot partition. Then > > <editor> /etc/default/grub > grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg > > is the incantation for making the basic configuration. If you have > multiple installations > on disk, emerge "os-prober" to bring in the detection of "foreign" > operating systems. > This creates the grub.cfg file, which prominently features a "DO NOT > EDIT" warning at the > top of the file; rank beginners are advised to edit /etc/defaut/grub if > that can make the changes > you want, but more advanced users can edit the grub.cfg to achieve > desired results. > > For example, my grub.cfg has the default entry for my preferred OS to > boot, and then has > entries that bing in other configuration files for various other > situations. I've got two > Gentoo collections, the Fedora collection and the Windows7 config. the > grub2 "info" > pages are complete but a little dense and not as well organized as they > might be. > > Good Luck. > > -- > G.Wolfe Woodbury > > > > > Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: >> >> J. Roeleveld wrote: >> >> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: >>> >>> Howdy, >>> >>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS. I got one. Anyway, it has >>> both serial and USB connections. I have a question about these. I >>> could use either one but not sure if it matters. Does the USB >>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection? I >>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is >>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices. Also, I never disconnect the >>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. >>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess. Since it also has screws to make >>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one >>> advantage. I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection >>> all of a sudden. Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out? lol >>> >>> So, since I already have everything set up for se >>> rial >>> connections, >>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> :-) :-) >>> >>> >>> P. S. Crap, there goes my uptime again. :-@ >>> >>> >> Dale. >> >> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality >> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for >> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use) >> >> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you >> configure it. >> >> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to >> give any meaningfull answers :) >> >> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using? >> >> -- >> Joost >> -- >> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> >> >> Ooops. I thought I put the model. It's a CyberPower 1350AVR. My old >> UPS is a CyberPower 1250AVR but it is about 10 years old. I have one >> working plug left on the back of it. I literally wore the plugs out. lol >> >> According to the book, and the box, the new one uses powerpanel which is >> the same as I use on the old UPS. Since it uses the same drivers/software, >> I figure it will work like my old one does. Then again, this is newer so >> that's why I ask. My old one has LEDs on it where this one has a display >> with more info than my old one. >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070 >> >> I don't yet have the UPS hooked up to the puter. I'm letting the battery >> charge overnight first. It says it is fully charged but still. Also, if >> it is going to blow up or something, I'd rather it do all that before I >> plug my rig up to it. o_O >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dale >> >> :-) :-) >> >> -- >> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! >> >> > Software is MS Windows only according to that site. > What are you using on Linux? > > Sometimes the software on the UPS gets changed. This might mean it is not > compatible anymore. > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > > Software is MS Windows only according to that site. > What are you using on Linux? > > Sometimes the software on the UPS gets changed. This might mean it is not > compatible anymore. > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > I haven't connected the UPS yet so I'm still using my old UPS and nut > software. It has a Linux version on the CD but no mention of Gentoo, just > rpm and deb. I tried to install this once before and I never got the > software to work right. I think it was the init scripts that caused > trouble. > > I looked at the nut website and it says the new UPS uses usbhid-ups which > appears to need to be connected to the UPS by USB. I'll try the serial > cable first, see what if anything it reports, then try USB and see if it > reports the same thing. The old UPS uses powerpanel drivers within nut. > That is sort of confusing since they call the Linux drivers the same as the > windows software. > > Looks like I'm going to have to test this to see if it works or not. If > it does, may need to report it to the people on the nut website. I would > prefer serial if it works the same myself. > > Thanks much. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:05:41AM -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > > On 09/15/2012 12:28 AM, Dale wrote: > > > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall > > > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which > > > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to > > > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if > > > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers > > > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else > > > will. ROFL Dale :-) :-) > > grub2 is a completely rewritten animal, so it is *different* > > > > grub2-install /dev/sd?? > > > > is the incantation to put grub2 onto the selected boot partition. Then > > > > <editor> /etc/default/grub > > grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg > > I figure I have to keep the existing Ubuntu install happy for a couple > of weeks. This is a work laptop and the Ubuntu side is productive > right now, so gentoo is my spare time conversion, and only after I > have it doing everything the Ubuntu install does, can I muck up > Ubuntu. It also is a handy reference if I get in a gentoo corner, > like setting up X or KVM. > > -- > ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. > Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com > GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license > #4933 > I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of > room o > > On 2012-09-14 02:32:37 +0200, Walter Dnes said: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 08:08:10PM +0200, Kraus Philipp wrote >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have got a modem US Robotics 5637 and I would like to use it with >>> Hylafax+. Hylafax works fine, all clients can create jobs, but now >>> I would like to configure / test the modem. Can anybody explain me >>> how I can test / configure my modem. I have installed minicom and >>> the modem is setup under /dev/modem with this udev rules >>> >> >> I have the same type of USB dialup modem running under Gentoo. I use >> it for emergency backup, if my ADSL connection goes down. First >> question... is your kernel properly configured? You need to select the >> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option. In "make menuconfig" the >> path is... >> Device Drivers ---> >> [*] USB support ---> >> <*> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support >> > > Thanks, I have forgot the CDC ACM module within the kernel. Rebuild my > kernel, everything works fine except > minicom, it shows always that my modem is offline, but if I send AT > command the modem response > > Phil > > > > Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> writes: > > > and for a simple reason: ml have always been. So 'old timers' and 'people > > knowing their crap' hang around those. Then came AOL, eternal September > and > > forums for this new crop of lol users. And since like minded people love > to > > congrate... > > And prior to the 'modern' forums, the quality of CompuServe forums was > (IMHO) far higher than nearly all of today's web-based forums. > > On 2012-09-15, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: > > > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of > > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. > > Not really. Intel came out with the IA64 architecture in 2001 in the > Itanium processor. The IA64 architecture was much more RISC-like than > the IA32 (x86) architecture. More importantly, it wasn't good at > running old IA32 software. It could emulate the IA32 instruction set, > but the emulation mode produced very slow performance. Because of > price and the poor backwards compatiblity it wasn't very popular on > the desktop (though it was used in some high-end servers and cluster > machines). > > A couple of years later, AMD came out with the AMD64 (x86-64) > architecture in the Opteron processor. It _was_ backwards compatible > with the IA32 and was quite popular -- though initially it was mainly > used in IA32 mode (I still run all my AMD64 machines in IA32 mode > because I'm too lazy to change over when there's little benefit). > > Once the Opteron family was widely adopted, and it became obvious that > the 64-bit mode of AMD64 processors was going to be vastly more > popular than the IA64 architecture, Intel jumped on board in 2004 with > the Xeon processor which implemented the AMD64 architecture. > > After years and years of miserable sales, Intel finally gave up > flogging the Itanium pocessor family and abandoned the IA64 > architecture in 2011. > > -- > Grant > > > On 2012-09-15, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> wrote: > > On 2012-09-15, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote: > > > >> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of > >> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing. > > > > After years and years of miserable sales, Intel finally gave up > > flogging the Itanium pocessor family and abandoned the IA64 > > architecture in 2011. > > Oops, after some research on Wikipedia, it looks like that last bit is > wrong. Intel still appears to be making Itanium parts (but nobody > but HP cares). > > Itanium is no longer supported by Microsoft, RedHat, Oracle, SAP, and > various other SW vendors (including Intel). > > Most of the old Itanium server vendors (e.g. IBM, SGI, Dell) have also > abandonded Itanium. It seems HP is still sticking with it and is, in > fact, has paid Intel over half a billion USD to keep it alive -- small > wonder HP is circling the drain. > > > > >> --- /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/mldonkey-3.1.0.ebuild 2012-02-24 >> 16:01:22.000000000 -0500 >> +++ ./mldonkey-3.1.3.ebuild 2012-09-14 09:47:39.613742734 -0400 >> @@ -92,7 +92,13 @@ >> >> src_compile() { >> export OCAMLRUNPARAM="l=256M" >> - emake || die "emake failed" >> + >> + local my_extra_libs >> + if use gd; then >> + my_extra_libs="-lpng15" >> + fi >> + >> + emake LIBS="${my_extra_libs}" || die "emake failed" >> >> if ! use guionly; then >> emake utils || die "emake utils failed" >> >> > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream. > > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf. > > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a init.d > script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are almost the > same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any differences > related to that. > > Regards. > > -- > Alexandre Paz Mena > > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap. > > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone. > > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world` > killed my computer. :-) > > Dan > > On 09/13/2012 07:20 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > > On 09/12/2012 09:49 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> wrote: > >>> So about a month ago I decided to update my kernel to the dreaded 3.x > >>> series. My old 2.6.x kernel ... > >> FYI Linus Torvalds says there was no change between 2.6 and 3.0. A > quote: > >> > >> So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we > >> have the usual two thirds driver > >> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is > >> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a > >> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at > >> all like that. > >> > >> You can read his entire letter here: > >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 > >> > >> Chris > > When I updated, I knew about changes in 3.2 that affected USB keyboard > > wake in suspend (& mostly how it deals with acpi. Most of the stuff > > moved to /sys/devices, the normal /proc/acpi/wakeup didn't really do > > anything.) This affected many users over many distros. > > > > It also changed how lirc works, although that happened around 2.6.38??, > > so my htpc frontend is still on 2.6.32. When I tried updating that > > machine to 3.0, nothing worked and I spent about a day troubleshooting > > it before I put the image I took of it before I upgraded it back on. > > > > Dan > > On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 12:24:37 Philipp Kraus wrote: > > On 2012-09-14 02:32:37 +0200, Walter Dnes said: > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 08:08:10PM +0200, Kraus Philipp wrote > > > > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> I have got a modem US Robotics 5637 and I would like to use it with > > >> Hylafax+. Hylafax works fine, all clients can create jobs, but now > > >> I would like to configure / test the modem. Can anybody explain me > > >> how I can test / configure my modem. I have installed minicom and > > >> the modem is setup under /dev/modem with this udev rules > > >> > > > I have the same type of USB dialup modem running under Gentoo. I use > > > > > > it for emergency backup, if my ADSL connection goes down. First > > > question... is your kernel properly configured? You need to select the > > > USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option. In "make menuconfig" the > > > path is... > > > Device Drivers ---> > > > > > > [*] USB support ---> > > > > > > <*> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support > > > > Thanks, I have forgot the CDC ACM module within the kernel. Rebuild my > > kernel, everything works fine except > > minicom, it shows always that my modem is offline, but if I send AT > > command the modem response > > Hi Phil, > > I'm going from memory, so I may not have this 100% correct and I have no > modem > to hand to try it any more, plus what I'm going to say used to be the case > with a serial connection to a modem. I never had a USB modem to know if it > would be the same. > > If you have a DCD line between the modem and the PC, you should get the > status > of the DCD signal in lower case "online/offline". > > If the cable between the modem and the PC has no control wire, then minicom > would use an internal simulation of the DCD status and show the status in > capital letters "ONLINE/OFFLINE". In that case you will only get "ONLINE" > if > minicom can detect that you have enabled the modem, perhaps because data > are > flowing back & forth. > > You may want to tweak your flow-control options and see if the on/offline > signal works when a fax is being sent/received. > > HTH. > -- > Regards, > Mick > > On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 17:28:26 Daniel Frey wrote: > > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was > > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave > > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap. > > > > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone. > > > > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after > > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world` > > killed my computer. :-) > > > > Dan > > > > On 09/13/2012 07:20 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > > > On 09/12/2012 09:49 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > > >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> > wrote: > > >>> So about a month ago I decided to update my kernel to the dreaded 3.x > > >>> series. My old 2.6.x kernel ... > > >> > > >> FYI Linus Torvalds says there was no change between 2.6 and 3.0. A > > >> quote: > > >> > > >> So what are the big changes? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we > > >> have the usual two thirds driver > > >> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is > > >> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a > > >> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at > > >> all like that. > > >> > > >> You can read his entire letter here: > > >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 > > >> > > >> Chris > > > > > > When I updated, I knew about changes in 3.2 that affected USB keyboard > > > wake in suspend (& mostly how it deals with acpi. Most of the stuff > > > moved to /sys/devices, the normal /proc/acpi/wakeup didn't really do > > > anything.) This affected many users over many distros. > > > > > > It also changed how lirc works, although that happened around 2.6.38??, > > > so my htpc frontend is still on 2.6.32. When I tried updating that > > > machine to 3.0, nothing worked and I spent about a day troubleshooting > > > it before I put the image I took of it before I upgraded it back on. > > > > > > Dan > > I was also replacing capacitors last weekend. It is a good idea to upgrade > them if there are alternatives of a higher maximum temperature as they will > probably last longer. A belts & braces approach is to add another/larger > case > fan to keep the in-case temperatures lower. > -- > Regards, > Mick > > Daniel Frey wrote: > > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was > > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave > > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap. > > > > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone. > > > > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after > > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world` > > killed my computer. :-) > > > > Dan > > > > > > *cough cough* Maybe you need a better or more powerful power supply? > If that cap went bad, you could have some others that are ready for the > same problem. I'd at least be on the look out for a new P/S. The next > one could go out and take a mobo or something with it. That would be > bad for sure. > > Just a thought. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > -- > I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or > how you interpreted my words! > > > On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 01:27:04 Philip Webb wrote: > > I've got my new machine basically habitable with a few small problems. > > > > (1) In Fluxbox, Gkrellm insists on starting on Desktop 1 ; > > on my existing machine with the same config files, it starts on Desktop > 8 . > > There must be some setting somewhere which has got changed. > > Perhaps something like: > > [app] (name=gkrellm) > [Workspace] {0} > [end] > > instead of: > > [Workspace] {7} > > in your ~/.fluxbox/apps file? Or may be you have a [Jump] {yes} command in > there too? Not sure if something similar in ~/.fluxbox/startup could cause > this symptom, so have a look in there just in case. > > > > (2) Luxi Mono is not coming out cleanly in Gvim or (Xfce) Terminal : > > IIRC there's a pkg or a setting somewhere to fix it, > > but I can't find it in my extensive notes from the past. > > > > (3) I have 4 heat sensors in Gkrellm : 'k10temp' + 3 * 'it87'. > > Can anyone suggest which bit of which device each is measuring ? > > Emerge lm_sensors and then run sensors to see what's what. > > I am guessing the k10temp is the core temperature of the CPU and the it87 > the > chip temperature sensors (3-off) from ACPI? > > > > The AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz is taking c 3/8 as long > > to compile eg Firefox or GCC as this machine's Intel Core2 Duo ; > > they also seem to be using less Portage tempspace on disk. > > The variable-rate fan is very impressive, ranging 2200 - 6800 rpm . > > -- > Regards, > Mick > > I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD and naturally > want to install gentoo. I have installed gentoo several times but this > is my first with an SSD. > > Dell configures a small first partition and places windows on two other > partitions (one small; the other the rest of the disk). > > I reinstalled windows shrinking the large partition very considerably (I > essentially never use the dell partition or windows; but they are > convenient to have if you need service from dell). > > In my current system, I have > > /root "native partition" > /usr lvm2 > /local lvm2 > /var lvm2 > /tmp lvm2 > /opt lvm2 > /a lvm2 > > My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" (to appease the > oracle at udev) and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. > > Although I will install dracut and perhaps try/use it, I do not want my > partitioning scheme to *force* me to use it. I believe combining root > and usr (off lvm2) will accomplish this goal. > > I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined, > but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition. > I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago. Is it back > because of the root+usr merge? Do people here recommend a separate > /boot? > > I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. It > appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below). Does the > following partitioning seem OK? > > Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes > 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors > Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x58737050 > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/sda1 63 80324 40131 de Dell Utility > /dev/sda2 81920 1622015 770048 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT > /dev/sda3 1622016 64536575 31457280 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT > /dev/sda4 64536576 500118191 217790808 5 Extended > /dev/sda5 * 64538624 127453183 31457280 83 Linux > /dev/sda6 127455232 131649535 2097152 82 Linux swap / > Solaris > /dev/sda7 131651584 341366783 104857600 8e Linux LVM > > thanks, > allan > > I'm having trouble with the pair of packages bibletime-2.9.1 and > clucene-2.3.3.4-r3, which were both recently stabilized. The pair of > packages emerges without problem. On launch of bibletime from a terminal > command, a blank splashscreen appears, followed in a number of seconds by > a reported segmentation fault. Reverting to the older pair bibletime-2.3.3 > and clucene-0.9.21b-r1 restores proper functionality. The newer stable > bibletime will not emerge with the older stable clucene, and the older > stable bibletime will not emerge with the newer stable clucene. An attempt > with the testing version clucene-2.3.3.4-r4 did not make an apparent > difference. > > I am seeing the same behavior on an amd64 machine and an x86 machine that > are generally similarly configured. I'd like to see if anyone else has > observed this problem, or if I need to be looking for something specific to > my machines. > > Thanks, > Gene > > 120915 Mick wrote: > > On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 01:27:04 Philip Webb wrote: > >> (1) In Fluxbox, Gkrellm insists on starting on Desktop 1 ; > >> on my existing machine with the same config files, it starts on Desktop > 8 . > >> There must be some setting somewhere which has got changed. > > Perhaps something like: > > > > [app] (name=gkrellm) > > [Workspace] {0} > > [end] > > > > instead of: > > > > [Workspace] {7} > > > > in your ~/.fluxbox/apps file ? > > Or may be you have a [Jump] {yes} command in there too ? > > Not sure if something similar in ~/.fluxbox/startup could cause this, > > so have a look in there just in case. > > Yes, I looked in those places, but there doesn't seem anything odd: > > [app] (name=gkrellm) (class=Gkrellm) > [Workspace] {7} > [Position] (UPPERLEFT) {0 0} > [Close] {yes} > [end] > > However, I have a custom 'apps-pp' file too, > which mb getting defined in the new machine's 'init' file. > I've made a note to check tomorrow. > > >> (2) Luxi Mono is not coming out cleanly in Gvim or (Xfce) Terminal : > >> IIRC there's a pkg or a setting somewhere to fix it, > >> but I can't find it in my extensive notes from the past. > > I've found the note buried in my notes from the 2007 installation : > it needs a file /dev/fonts/local.conf with various settings, esp > > <match target="font"> > <test name="family"> > <string>Luxi Mono</string> > </test> > <test name="pixelsize" compare="less"> > <double>24</double> > </test> > <edit name="hinting"> > <bool>false</bool> > </edit> > </match> > > HTH anyone else who gets ugly fonts in a new box. > > >> (3) I have 4 heat sensors in Gkrellm : 'k10temp' + 3 * 'it87'. > >> Can anyone suggest which bit of which device each is measuring ? > > I am guessing the k10temp is the core temperature of the CPU > > and the it87 the chip temperature sensors (3-off) from ACPI? > > Well, I can guess equally well (smile). When compiling Firefox & > LibreOffice, > the 'it87-3' reached 68 C once, while the other 3 were lower ; > all 4 CPUs were working at 99 % at the time. > IIRC the displayed temperatures are not very accurate: when not active, > 3 of the values were well below room temperature, which sb impossible. > > I have the impression that the rate of CPU work is being controlled > in order to keep the temperature safely below the cut-off point > which I've set in BIOS, ie 70 C ; also, the variable fan is very > impressive. > If so, it must be due to the combination of AMD + Gigabyte (mobo). > > Thanks for the advice. (1) must be fairly easy, when I find out why. > Any further info re (3) wb very welcome. > > -- > ========================,,============================================ > SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb > ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto > TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca > > > Allan Gottlieb wrote: > >> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD and naturally >> want to install gentoo. I have installed gentoo several times but this >> is my first with an SSD. >> >> Dell configures a small first partition and places windows on two other >> partitions (one small; the other the rest of the disk). >> >> I reinstalled windows shrinking the large partition very considerably (I >> essentially never use the dell partition or windows; but they are >> convenient to have if you need service from dell). >> >> In my current system, I have >> >> /root "native partition" >> /usr lvm2 >> /local lvm2 >> /var lvm2 >> /tmp lvm2 >> /opt lvm2 >> /a lvm2 >> >> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" (to appease the >> oracle at udev) and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. >> >> Although I will install dracut and perhaps try/use it, I do not want my >> partitioning scheme to *force* me to use it. I believe combining root >> and usr (off lvm2) will accomplish this goal. >> >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined, >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition. >> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago. Is it back >> because of the root+usr merge? Do people here recommend a separate >> /boot? >> > > It's just the way the Gentoo docs have always been. As with most things > related to Unix, retrospective justifications are commonplace. I think it > made a good deal more sense 10 years ago than it does today. Back then, > ext2 was a safer option for boot loaders and live-distros alike. Nowadays, > it generally doesn't matter and can be a source of confusion (I always > thought that the self-referencing boot symlink was silly). There are some > situations where it could afford more flexibility. However, I no longer > specify a separate /boot unless there is a clear case for doing so. > > >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. It >> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below). Does the >> following partitioning seem OK? >> >> Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes >> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors >> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes >> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes >> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes >> Disk identifier: 0x58737050 >> >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >> /dev/sda1 63 80324 40131 de Dell Utility >> /dev/sda2 81920 1622015 770048 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT >> /dev/sda3 1622016 64536575 31457280 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT >> /dev/sda4 64536576 500118191 217790808 5 Extended >> /dev/sda5 * 64538624 127453183 31457280 83 Linux >> /dev/sda6 127455232 131649535 2097152 82 Linux swap / >> Solaris >> /dev/sda7 131651584 341366783 104857600 8e Linux LVM >> > > These are all perfectly aligned except for the first partition, not that > it matters. Incidentally, no special parameters are required for tools such > as pvcreate, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.xfs and such. They will generally do the right > thing based on the information exposed by sysfs. > > Cheers, > > --Kerin > > 120915 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > > I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD > > and naturally want to install Gentoo. This is my first with an SSD. > > I reinstalled Windows shrinking the large partition very considerably > > That much is what I did with my EEE netbook 2008 . > M$ has 2 uses : when you need to test things with your ISP, > who is familiar with the Windows configuration process ; > when you want to play bridge with the machine (no bridge for Linux !). > > > My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" to appease > > the oracle at udev and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. > > Now we've moved to my current installation on my newly-built desktop box, > my 1st SSD too. It's working very well & I've dropped LVM. > My partitions on the SSD are (new box, old box assigned, old box used): > > SSD sda 1 boot 0,6 0,1 0,06 /boot > 2 root 30 20 3,55 / incl : opt usr var > 3 swap 4 4 -- swap > 5 home 30 20 6,84 /home > 6 portage 15 20 3,43 /usr/portage (distfiles 2,3) > -- var -- 5 1,4 /var > 7 z 41 24 1,5 /z > total 121 93,1 19,45 > > tmpfs -- -- -- /tmp > > I've put /usr/local + /usr/src on my HDD, which your laptop lacks, > but you've got 128 GB more space on your SSD than I have > & you wb backing it up on some other machine, I assume, > so you have lots of space for more partitions for such things. > ( /z is a big hangar for making ISOs, testing archives, Portage tempdir). > NB I've assigned vastly more space than I'm currently actually using. > > > I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. > > It appears that fdisk is doing this automatically. > > Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. > I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly > or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. > > -- > ========================,,============================================ > SUPPORT ___________//___, Philip Webb > ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto > TRANSIT `-O----------O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca > > > Philip Webb wrote: > >> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. >> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly >> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. >> > > Microsoft have been doing the right thing since Vista SP1, long before the > Linux ecosystem pulled its collective head out of the sand. Regarding the > available partitioning tools, fdisk from util-linux-2.18 onwards is safe. > Gentoo was extremely slow on the uptake in getting this issue resolved but > that's water under the bridge now. Any release media from around the time > bug #356941 was closed will be safe. > > I usually validate the starting boundary of a partition in this fashion: > > echo $(( 64538624 % 8 )) # 0 == 1MiB aligned == good > > Cheers, > > --Kerin > > On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: > > > Allan Gottlieb wrote: > >> > >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined, > >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition. > >> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago. Is it back > >> because of the root+usr merge? Do people here recommend a separate > >> /boot? > > > > It's just the way the Gentoo docs have always been. As with most > > things related to Unix, retrospective justifications are > > commonplace. I think it made a good deal more sense 10 years ago than > > it does today. Back then, ext2 was a safer option for boot loaders and > > live-distros alike. Nowadays, it generally doesn't matter and can be a > > source of confusion (I always thought that the self-referencing boot > > symlink was silly). There are some situations where it could afford > > more flexibility. However, I no longer specify a separate /boot unless > > there is a clear case for doing so. > > Thanks. I will do the same > > > >> > >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. It > >> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below). Does the > >> following partitioning seem OK? > >> > > These are all perfectly aligned except for the first partition, not > > that it matters. Incidentally, no special parameters are required for > > tools such as pvcreate, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.xfs and such. They will > > generally do the right thing based on the information exposed by > > sysfs. > > I was actually thinking about just that as I will be using mkfs.ext4 and > many of the lvm tools, so thanks in advance. > > allan > > On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Philip Webb wrote: > > > 120915 Allan Gottlieb wrote: > >> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD > >> and naturally want to install Gentoo. This is my first with an SSD. > >> I reinstalled Windows shrinking the large partition very considerably > > > > That much is what I did with my EEE netbook 2008 . > > M$ has 2 uses : when you need to test things with your ISP, > > who is familiar with the Windows configuration process ; > > when you want to play bridge with the machine (no bridge for Linux !). > > I don't play bridge but do find windows also useful when dealing with > dell if there are any hardware issues. > > >> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" to appease > >> the oracle at udev and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration. > > > > It's working very well & I've dropped LVM. > > I toyed with that thought after the udev business, but eventually > decided to stay with LVM. > > > My partitions on the SSD are (new box, old box assigned, old box used): > > > > SSD sda 1 boot 0,6 0,1 0,06 /boot > > 2 root 30 20 3,55 / incl : opt usr var > > 3 swap 4 4 -- swap > > 5 home 30 20 6,84 /home > > 6 portage 15 20 3,43 /usr/portage (distfiles 2,3) > > -- var -- 5 1,4 /var > > 7 z 41 24 1,5 /z > > total 121 93,1 19,45 > > > > tmpfs -- -- -- /tmp > > I am embarrassed to say I had trouble reading the above, embarrassed > because it show provincial habits. I didn't even consider that , could > be a decimal point. Now it is clear > > > I've put /usr/local + /usr/src on my HDD, which your laptop lacks, > > but you've got 128 GB more space on your SSD than I have > > & you wb backing it up on some other machine, I assume, > > so you have lots of space for more partitions for such things. > > Correct. > > > ( /z is a big hangar for making ISOs, testing archives, Portage > tempdir). > > NB I've assigned vastly more space than I'm currently actually using. > > I have the equivalent on my current system and will probably carry it > over as well. > > >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned. > >> It appears that fdisk is doing this automatically. > > > > Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. > > I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly > > or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. > > No for dell, yes for microsoft, yes for fdisk (at least emacs calc says > so). > > thanks, > allan > > On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 21:42 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: > > > > > Allan Gottlieb wrote: > > >> > > >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr > combined, > > >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot > partition. > ... > > Sorta related ... can someone comment on, or point to a guide about the > relationship between partitioning, LVM and filesystems? In particular, > it seems to me that if you are going to the bother of partitioning to > boundaries, whatever you put into that should also be aligned. > > Would like to sort it out as my new macbook air with an SSD from work > should be arriving soon and I intend going separate /usr and LVM/btrfs > for all except the root and boot partitions. > > BillK > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: > > > Philip Webb wrote: > >> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way. > >> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly > >> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more. > > > > Microsoft have been doing the right thing since Vista SP1, > > I remember the bad days (me et al) when it was a pain to get the windows > partition shrunk and willing to accept a grub mbr. I always allocated a > whole day (alone, since I would be grouchy) to do that and often needed > more time. I think it was around vista, where it just became easy. It > was certainly easy with the current windows 7. > > > long before the Linux ecosystem pulled its collective head out of the > > sand. Regarding the available partitioning tools, fdisk from > > util-linux-2.18 onwards is safe. Gentoo was extremely slow on the > > uptake in getting this issue resolved but that's water under the > > bridge now. Any release media from around the time bug #356941 was > > closed will be safe. > > I used a live CD from nov 3 2011 > > livecd ~ # uname -a > Linux livecd 3.0.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 12:50:42 UTC 2011 x86_64 > Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux > > > I usually validate the starting boundary of a partition in this fashion: > > > > echo $(( 64538624 % 8 )) # 0 == 1MiB aligned == good > > right. I used emacs calc. > > allan > > William Kenworthy wrote: > >> On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 21:42 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote: >>> >>> Allan Gottlieb wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr >>>>> combined, >>>>> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot >>>>> partition. >>>>> >>>> ... >> >> Sorta related ... can someone comment on, or point to a guide about the >> relationship between partitioning, LVM and filesystems? In particular, >> it seems to me that if you are going to the bother of partitioning to >> boundaries, whatever you put into that should also be aligned. >> > > There's no bother whatsoever entailed with current release media. If you > are setting all of this up on commodity hardware, it's all taken care of > for you. > > So as to satisfy your curiosity, one exception I have encountered is with > systems that use LSI MegaRAID hardware. In this case, the information > required for tools such as pvcreate and mkfs.xfs to function optimally is > not conveyed to userspace. In the unlikely event that you need to take > matters into your own hands, you may find this informative: > > http://www.**mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/**06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-* > *disk-raid-the-theory/<http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-disk-raid-the-theory/> > > Cheers, > > --Kerin > > On 09/15/2012 11:59 AM, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote: > > > > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream. > > > > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf. > > > > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a > > init.d script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are > > almost the same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any > > differences related to that. > > The init scripts are usually stored in the package's "files" directory. > You should see the mldonkey one here: > > $ ls /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/files/ > total 12K > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K 2008-06-30 12:12 2.9.5-execstacks.patch > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 887 2007-01-24 12:40 mldonkey.confd-2.8 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2011-10-23 14:22 mldonkey.initd > > The ebuild in portage (tries to) install this: > > ... > newinitd "${FILESDIR}/mldonkey.initd" mldonkey > > > A guess: you copied the ebuilds to an overlay, but didn't copy the > "files" directory. Normally you'd get an error as a result, but there's > a bug (lots of them, actually) in the ebuild. In earlier EAPIs, the > dofoo/newfoo functions could fail but would not do so automatically. The > usual way to handle this is with e.g. > > newinitd x y || die "newinitd didn't work" > > The ebuild doesn't do this, so it happily continues after failing to > install the init script. > > Hi, > strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1): > it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped > responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a), > all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used. > Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few > "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache > was already unable to send reply. > > Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it > "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have > about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my > config so that apache never runs out of memory? > > server-info: > Timeouts: connection: 60 keep-alive: 15 > MPM Name: Prefork > MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes > Module Name: prefork.c > 31: StartServers 5 > 32: MinSpareServers 5 > 33: MaxSpareServers 10 > 34: MaxClients 150 > > Jarry > > -- > ______________________________**______________________________**___ > This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! > Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. > > Ok, thank you very much! > > Apart from that, I should add those files to the dependencies, right? > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com>wrote: > >> On 09/15/2012 11:59 AM, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote: >> > >> > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream. >> > >> > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf. >> > >> > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a >> > init.d script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are >> > almost the same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any >> > differences related to that. >> >> The init scripts are usually stored in the package's "files" directory. >> You should see the mldonkey one here: >> >> $ ls /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/files/ >> total 12K >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K 2008-06-30 12:12 2.9.5-execstacks.patch >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 887 2007-01-24 12:40 mldonkey.confd-2.8 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2011-10-23 14:22 mldonkey.initd >> >> The ebuild in portage (tries to) install this: >> >> ... >> newinitd "${FILESDIR}/mldonkey.initd" mldonkey >> >> >> A guess: you copied the ebuilds to an overlay, but didn't copy the >> "files" directory. Normally you'd get an error as a result, but there's >> a bug (lots of them, actually) in the ebuild. In earlier EAPIs, the >> dofoo/newfoo functions could fail but would not do so automatically. The >> usual way to handle this is with e.g. >> >> newinitd x y || die "newinitd didn't work" >> >> The ebuild doesn't do this, so it happily continues after failing to >> install the init script. >> >> > > > -- > Alexandre Paz Mena > > Hi all, > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing > Samba on. When I do: > > emerge -NuD --pretend samba > > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python, > V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also > stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and > still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older version, > V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still wants python, > V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages that follow > Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python or already have > "-python" set. > > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. Does > anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought in? I > haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully someone has > come across this problem before. > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, > > Andrew > > On Sep 16, 2012 1:05 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <agl@×××××××.au> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing > Samba on. When I do: > > > > emerge -NuD --pretend samba > > > > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python, > V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also > stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and > still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older version, > V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still wants python, > V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages that follow > Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python or already have > "-python" set. > > > > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. > Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought > in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully > someone has come across this problem before. > > > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, > > > > Andrew > > > > Hi, when you are dealing with python always remember that the API has > changed between version 2 and 3 so python 3 can't handle python 2 scripts. > > So what I think emerge is doing here is installing python 2.7 beside 3.2. > > When you add the verbose flag to the emerge command, you will probably see > something like [ NS ] or [ uS ] at the beginning of the python line. The S > stands for new slot, so both version will be installedbecause samba or one > of it's dependency is using python 2 scripts. > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards > > Randolph Maaßen > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800 > Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing > > Samba on. When I do: > > > > emerge -NuD --pretend samba > > > > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including > > Python, V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. > > I've also stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and > > that's all and still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python > > - the older version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use > > and it still wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables > > for the packages that follow Python in the emerge list and they > > either don't want python or already have "-python" set. > > > > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. > > Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be > > brought in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as > > hopefully someone has come across this problem before. > > > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, > > > > Andrew > > > > Python is slotted (see gentoo docs for more info on SLOTS). > > Samba is not downgrading python, it is asking for python-2.7 to be > installed alongside python-3.2 (so you will then have both). > > Just accept what portage says and let it do it;s thing - there are many > packages out there that are not ported to python-3 yet so you almost > certainly are going to need python-2.7 at some point anyway. > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan.mckinnon@×××××.com > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: > > > I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages > > that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python > > or already have "-python" set. > > You've already had a reply about the slotted nature of python, but you > also need to understand that USE flags are not dependency lists. USE > flags cover optional features, if a package has an option python module, > bindings or scripts, a USE flag may determine whether they are installed. > But if a package needs python2, no amount of fudging with USE flags will > change that fact. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > Programmer (n): A red-eyed, mumbling mammal capable of conversing > with inanimate objects. > > Am Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800 > schrieb Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au>: > > > Hi all, > > Hi, > > > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing > Samba on. > > When I do: > > > > emerge -NuD --pretend samba > > > > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python, > > V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also > > stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and > > still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older > > version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still > > wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages > > that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python > > or already have "-python" set. > > > > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. Does > > anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought in? > > I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully > > someone has come across this problem before. > > First of all: Python 2 and 3 are (partly) incompatible versions of the > language. > They can be installed in parallel in different slots (the emerge output > will > have contained "NS" at one point, for "New Slot"). So you are not so much > downgrading python as installing an older version in addition to the > current > version. Although "older" and "newer" are misleading, since they have both > been > under active development in parallel since Python 3 was released. > > Second: you can use the "-t" (or "--tree") option of emerge to get a tree > view > of the dependencies, so that you can see what exactly is pulling in > python-2.7.3. But it sounds like some dependency of samba has a hard > dependency > on Python 2, so you probably cannot control it. > > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, > > > > Andrew > > HTH > -- > Marc Joliet > -- > "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we > don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup > > On 09/16/12 19:19, Randolph Maaßen wrote: > >> On Sep 16, 2012 1:05 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <agl@×××××××.au >> <mailto:agl@×××××××.au>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing >> Samba on. When I do: >> > >> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba >> > >> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including >> Python, V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. >> I've also stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and >> that's all and still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - >> the older version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and >> it still wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the >> packages that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't >> want python or already have "-python" set. >> > >> > Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. >> Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought >> in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully >> someone has come across this problem before. >> > >> > Any thoughts greatly appreciated, >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> >> Hi, when you are dealing with python always remember that the API has >> changed between version 2 and 3 so python 3 can't handle python 2 scripts. >> >> So what I think emerge is doing here is installing python 2.7 beside 3.2. >> >> When you add the verbose flag to the emerge command, you will probably >> see something like [ NS ] or [ uS ] at the beginning of the python line. >> The S stands for new slot, so both version will be installedbecause >> samba or one of it's dependency is using python 2 scripts. >> > > Randolph, > You have guessed correctly, I get NS. But to me, the question is > why do I even need python at all for something that is a file sharing > daemon? I've turned off CUPS etc etc, I just want file sharing to the M$ > world, not all the other fluff. I suppose I'll have to have a look at the > ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in the > first place. > > Andrew > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: > > > I suppose I'll have to have a look at the > > ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in > > the first place. > > Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't > have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't > include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see > which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass > inherited by one of the ebuilds. > > If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage > needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build > dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be > nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage. > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > Top Oxymorons Number 47: Act naturally > > Am 16.09.2012 08:55, schrieb Jarry: > > Hi, > > strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1): > > it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped > > responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a), > > all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used. > > Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few > > "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache > > was already unable to send reply. > > > > Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it > > "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have > > about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my > > config so that apache never runs out of memory? > > > > server-info: > > Timeouts: connection: 60 keep-alive: 15 > > MPM Name: Prefork > > MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes > > Module Name: prefork.c > > 31: StartServers 5 > > 32: MinSpareServers 5 > > 33: MaxSpareServers 10 > > 34: MaxClients 150 > > > > Jarry > > > > > Hi, > > try reducing MaxClients to 64, StartServers and MinSpareServers to 2 and > then observe how things develop. If you then feel apache is to slow to > respond to request under load, try increasing MinSpareServer one at a > time. But always keep in mind: every fork of apache eats your memory. > > On 09/16/12 19:53, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: >> >> I suppose I'll have to have a look at the >>> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in >>> the first place. >>> >> >> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't >> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't >> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see >> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass >> inherited by one of the ebuilds. >> >> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage >> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build >> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be >> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage. >> >> Neil, > Looks like you've hit the nail on the head. The media machine has > just had a new install of Gentoo done and according to "eselect python > list", I only have V3.2. Nothing has been removed, just a few things added > so it looks like the default "install" only does V3.2. Looks like I'll have > to put up with it, the compile time on the little machine is a killer, and > let the install happen. > > Thanks for the feedback everyone, > > Andrew > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Michael Hampicke <gentoo-user@××××.biz> > wrote: > > Am 16.09.2012 08:55, schrieb Jarry: > >> Hi, > >> strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1): > >> it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped > >> responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a), > >> all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used. > >> Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few > >> "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache > >> was already unable to send reply. > >> > >> Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it > >> "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have > >> about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my > >> config so that apache never runs out of memory? > >> > >> server-info: > >> Timeouts: connection: 60 keep-alive: 15 > >> MPM Name: Prefork > >> MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes > >> Module Name: prefork.c > >> 31: StartServers 5 > >> 32: MinSpareServers 5 > >> 33: MaxSpareServers 10 > >> 34: MaxClients 150 > >> > >> Jarry > >> > > > > > > Hi, > > > > try reducing MaxClients to 64, StartServers and MinSpareServers to 2 and > > then observe how things develop. If you then feel apache is to slow to > > respond to request under load, try increasing MinSpareServer one at a > > time. But always keep in mind: every fork of apache eats your memory. > > And sucks up system entropy. And increases connection latency, if > you've already got a request waiting on that fork to spin up. > > I have StartServers, MinSpareServers, MaxSpareServers and MaxClients > all pegged to the same value. And on the server in question, they'll > all pegged to '10'. > > I have MaxRequestsPerChild set to 20000, so that any leaky processes > get cleaned up. > > Because I need to fit a lot of operation into a limited space, I need > to be able to reasonably predict how much RAM is going to be in use by > each of my services. A "MaxClients" of 10 may seem small, but that's > what Squid is for; only requests Squid couldn't cache get passed on to > Apache. > > The server I'm describing is a VM with 4GB of RAM, and is also running > MySQL, squid and memcached. For those playing with the numbers in > their head, each of these numbers reflect RES (code+data resident in > RAM): > > * Each Apache process is consuming 80-100MB of RAM. > * Squid is consuming 666MB of RAM > * memcached is consuming 822MB of RAM > * mysqld is consuming 886MB of RAM > * The kernel is using 110MB of RAM for buffers > * The kernel is using 851MB of RAM for file cache (which benefits squid). > > And, not RAM, but potentially of interest for the curious: > * The MySQL db is consuming 3.8GB on disk. > * The Squid cache is about 9.2GB on disk. > > > -- > :wq > > On 09/16/12 04:20, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote: > > Ok, thank you very much! > > > > Apart from that, I should add those files to the dependencies, right? > > Nope, all you should have to do is copy the net-p2p/mldonkey/files > directory into the corresponding directory in your overlay. > > The "2.9.5-execstacks.patch" file might not be needed for the 3.1.x > you're building, but it won't hurt anything to leave it there. > > Hello, > > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC? > > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance > > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date. > > > Thanks for help. > > > Regards > Silvio > > Andrew Lowe wrote: > >> On 09/16/12 19:53, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote: >>> >>> I suppose I'll have to have a look at the >>>> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in >>>> the first place. >>>> >>> >>> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't >>> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't >>> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see >>> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass >>> inherited by one of the ebuilds. >>> >>> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage >>> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build >>> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be >>> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage. >>> >>> Neil, >> Looks like you've hit the nail on the head. The media machine has just >> had a new install of Gentoo done and according to "eselect python list", >> I only have V3.2. Nothing has been removed, just a few things added so >> it looks like the default "install" only does V3.2. Looks like I'll have >> to put up with it, the compile time on the little machine is a killer, >> and let the install happen. >> > > Portage works with either instance of python and its ebuild has "python2" > and "python3" USE flags. Alas, the build system of sys-libs/talloc seems to > require python:2.6 or python:2.7. I would suggest adding > dev-lang/python:2.7 to the world file so as to protect it from being reaped > by emerge --depclean, only to be required again for future builds. > > Incidentally, one of the first things I do on a Gentoo system is mask > >=dev-lang/python-3.0 and rebuild affected packages against python-2.7. I > have yet to find a single instance where having both installed is helpful. > Even major applications such as Django still don't support Py3k. > > Regarding the increase in compilation time, you could get a head start by > grabbing a binary package from tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org. > > Cheers, > > --Kerin > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:52:54 +0200 > Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC? > > Yes. There is only one tree, not different one for different arches. > > So it does not matter where you get your tree from, only that you do > have a copy. > > Do make sure that owners and permissions are set to something that will > work on the destination after the copy. > > > > > > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance > > > > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy > > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date. > > > > > > Thanks for help. > > > > > > Regards > > Silvio > > > > > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan.mckinnon@×××××.com > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:52:54 +0200 > Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC? > > > > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance > > > > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy > > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date. > > > > > > Thanks for help. > > > > > > Regards > > Silvio > > I don't know if this handles things like package renames that get > processed at the end of syncing. Maybe emerge knows to do this on the > next run? I haven't tried this way, can someone confirm? > > One way that works is to uncomment the [gentoo-portage] entry in > /etc/rsync.conf on your laptop, start rsyncd, then point your desktop > to sync from your laptop with: > > SYNC="rsync://ip.of.laptop.here/gentoo-portage" > > in make.conf, and do an emerge --sync / eix-sync as normal. > > Cheers, > Bryan > >

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