[gentoo-user] Re: Digest of [e-mail] issue 2724 (141378-141427)

[Fernando Villareal]

On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 11:05 AM, <gentoo-user+help@l.g.o> wrote:

> Topics (messages 141378 through 141427):
>
> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type?
>       141378 - felix@×××××××.com
>
> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type?
>       141379 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type?
>       141380 - felix@×××××××.com
>
> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections
>       141381 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections
>       141382 - "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org>
>
> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections
>       141383 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type?
>       141384 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? -- grub2 comments
>       141385 - "G.Wolfe Woodbury" <redwolfe@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections
>       141386 - "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org>
>
> [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections
>       141387 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] How do I determine the processor type? -- grub2 comments
>       141388 - felix@×××××××.com
>
> [gentoo-user] Re: modem configuration
>       141389 - Philipp Kraus <philipp.kraus@×××××××××.de>
>
> [gentoo-user] Gentoo is the best linux distro
>       141390 - Graham Murray <graham@×××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] Re: How do I determine the processor type?
>       141391 - Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Re: How do I determine the processor type?
>       141392 - Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3
>       141393 - Alexandre Paz Mena <erzapito@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend
>       141394 - Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Re: modem configuration
>       141395 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend
>       141396 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Update to newer kernel completely hoses suspend
>       141397 - Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] new machine : a few small queries
>       141398 - Mick <michaelkintzios@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141399 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu>
>
> [gentoo-user] bibletime segmentation fault
>       141400 - Gene Hannan <gjhannan@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] new machine : a few small queries
>       141401 - Philip Webb <purslow@××××××××.net>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141402 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141403 - Philip Webb <purslow@××××××××.net>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141404 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141405 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141406 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141407 - William Kenworthy <billk@×××××××××.au>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141408 - Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@×××.edu>
>
> [gentoo-user] partitioning an ssd for new installation
>       141409 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3
>       141410 - Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death...
>       141411 - Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3
>       141412 - Alexandre Paz Mena <erzapito@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141413 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141414 - Randolph Maaßen <r.maassen60@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141415 - Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141416 - Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141417 - Marc Joliet <marcec@×××.de>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141418 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141419 - Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death...
>       141420 - Michael Hampicke <gentoo-user@××××.biz>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141421 - Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au>
>
> [gentoo-user] Apache forked itself to death...
>       141422 - Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Generate an ebuild for mldonkey-3.1.3
>       141423 - Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Offline Update
>       141424 - Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de>
>
> [gentoo-user] Samba wants to downgrade my python....
>       141425 - Kerin Millar <kerframil@×××××××××××.uk>
>
> [gentoo-user] Offline Update
>       141426 - Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
>
> [gentoo-user] Offline Update
>       141427 - Bryan Gardiner <bog@××××××.net>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:26:41AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote:
> > felix@×××××××.com wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:45:51AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote:
> > >> felix@×××××××.com wrote:
> > >>> I have a shiny new System76 laptop with a "3rd Generation Intel Core
> i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading)".
> > >>>
> > >>> It comes with Ubuntu, so naturally my first move was to split the
> Ubuntu partition in half and install gentoo.  I will say no more about my
> first experiences with Unity.
> > >>>
> > >>> The Ubunto uname -a says "3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24
> 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux".
> > >> Take note - it's a x86_64 host environment.
> > >>
> > >>> I installed the latest stage3 tarball and set up make.conf as
> > >> Which stage3 tarball exactly?
> > >
> > > Maybe that's part of my confusion -- I was following the x86 handbook,
> not amd64, because it's not amd.  But if amd64 should be used for all 64
> bit installs, that's probably my problem.
> > >
> > > As for the exact stage3 tarball, the ftp choice was
> "gentoo/releases/x86/current-stage3".  This was about Sep 10.
> > >
> >
> > It will work if you chroot as described in my previous message. linux32
> > is a symlink to setarch so you can read the setarch manpage if you're
> > curious as to why it is necessary. Still, unless you have a particular
> > reason not to avoid using an amd64 stage tarball, I'd suggest starting
> > over with one.
>
> Nope, just ignorance, thinking that amd64 shouldn't be used with an intel
> processor.
>
> --
>             ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
>      Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com
>   GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E  6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license
> #4933
> I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of
> room o
>
> felix@×××××××.com wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:26:41AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote:
> >> felix@×××××××.com wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:45:51AM +0100, Kerin Millar wrote:
> >>>> felix@×××××××.com wrote:
> >>>>> I have a shiny new System76 laptop with a "3rd Generation Intel Core
> i7-3720QM Processor (2.60GHz 6MB L3 Cache - 4 Cores plus Hyperthreading)".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It comes with Ubuntu, so naturally my first move was to split the
> Ubuntu partition in half and install gentoo.  I will say no more about my
> first experiences with Unity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Ubunto uname -a says "3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24
> 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux".
> >>>> Take note - it's a x86_64 host environment.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I installed the latest stage3 tarball and set up make.conf as
> >>>> Which stage3 tarball exactly?
> >>> Maybe that's part of my confusion -- I was following the x86 handbook,
> not amd64, because it's not amd.  But if amd64 should be used for all 64
> bit installs, that's probably my problem.
> >>>
> >>> As for the exact stage3 tarball, the ftp choice was
> "gentoo/releases/x86/current-stage3".  This was about Sep 10.
> >>>
> >> It will work if you chroot as described in my previous message. linux32
> >> is a symlink to setarch so you can read the setarch manpage if you're
> >> curious as to why it is necessary. Still, unless you have a particular
> >> reason not to avoid using an amd64 stage tarball, I'd suggest starting
> >> over with one.
> > Nope, just ignorance, thinking that amd64 shouldn't be used with an
> intel processor.
> >
>
> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of
> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing.  So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho
> Intel came along later on and the name just stuck.  That's a very short
> version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may
> come along and correct something.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
> how you interpreted my words!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 09:42:42PM -0500, Dale wrote:
>
> > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of
> > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing.  So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho
> > Intel came along later on and the name just stuck.  That's a very short
> > version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may
> > come along and correct something.
>
> I sort of knew that, but I haven't kept up with all the processor
> names, and linux the kernel merged x86 and amd64 in some fashion, or
> was it x86 and x86_64?  /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is a
> symlink to the x86.  It's all very confusing, and one of the gentoo
> docs says iCore2 is Xeon, so what do I know about iCore7?
>
> Kernel compile finished, 16 minutes (SSD sure speeds it up).  I'll
> finish the setup tomorrow.  At some point I have to figure out where
> Ubuntu hides the boot config so I can add an entry for the gentoo install.
>
> --
>             ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
>      Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com
>   GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E  6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license
> #4933
> I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of
> room o
>
> Howdy,
>
> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS.  I got one.  Anyway, it has
> both serial and USB connections.  I have a question about these.  I
> could use either one but not sure if it matters.  Does the USB
> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection?  I
> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is
> serial but I have a bit of USB devices.  Also, I never disconnect the
> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use.
> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess.  Since it also has screws to make
> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one
> advantage.  I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection
> all of a sudden.  Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out?  lol
>
> So, since I already have everything set up for serial connections,
> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
> P. S.  Crap, there goes my uptime again.  :-@
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
> how you interpreted my words!
>
>
> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS.  I got one.  Anyway, it has
>> both serial and USB connections.  I have a question about these.  I
>> could use either one but not sure if it matters.  Does the USB
>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection?  I
>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is
>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices.  Also, I never disconnect the
>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use.
>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess.  Since it also has screws to make
>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one
>> advantage.  I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection
>> all of a sudden.  Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out?  lol
>>
>> So, since I already have everything set up for se
>>  rial
>> connections,
>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>> P. S.  Crap, there goes my uptime again.  :-@
>>
>>
> Dale.
>
> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality
> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for
> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use)
>
> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you
> configure it.
>
> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to give
> any meaningfull answers :)
>
> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using?
>
> --
> Joost
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>  J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS.  I got one.  Anyway, it has
>> both serial and USB connections.  I have a question about these.  I
>> could use either one but not sure if it matters.  Does the USB
>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection?  I
>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is
>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices.  Also, I never disconnect the
>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use.
>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess.  Since it also has screws to make
>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one
>> advantage.  I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection
>> all of a sudden.  Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out?  lol
>>
>> So, since I already have everything set up for se
>>  rial
>> connections,
>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>> P. S.  Crap, there goes my uptime again.  :-@
>>
>>
> Dale.
>
> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality
> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for
> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use)
>
> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you
> configure it.
>
> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to give
> any meaningfull answers :)
>
> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using?
>
> --
> Joost
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
> Ooops.  I thought I put the model.  It's a CyberPower 1350AVR.  My old UPS
> is a CyberPower 1250AVR but it is about 10 years old.  I have one working
> plug left on the back of it.  I literally wore the plugs out.  lol
>
> According to the book, and the box, the new one uses powerpanel which is
> the same as I use on the old UPS.  Since it uses the same drivers/software,
> I figure it will work like my old one does.  Then again, this is newer so
> that's why I ask.  My old one has LEDs on it where this one has a display
> with more info than my old one.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070
>
> I don't yet have the UPS hooked up to the puter.  I'm letting the battery
> charge overnight first.  It says it is fully charged but still.  Also, if
> it is going to blow up or something, I'd rather it do all that before I
> plug my rig up to it.  o_O
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>
>
> felix@×××××××.com wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 09:42:42PM -0500, Dale wrote:
> >
> >> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of
> >> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing.  So, it sort of got named amd64 even tho
> >> Intel came along later on and the name just stuck.  That's a very short
> >> version of the story and I think that is how it went but someone may
> >> come along and correct something.
> > I sort of knew that, but I haven't kept up with all the processor
> > names, and linux the kernel merged x86 and amd64 in some fashion, or
> > was it x86 and x86_64?  /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage is a
> > symlink to the x86.  It's all very confusing, and one of the gentoo
> > docs says iCore2 is Xeon, so what do I know about iCore7?
> >
> > Kernel compile finished, 16 minutes (SSD sure speeds it up).  I'll
> > finish the setup tomorrow.  At some point I have to figure out where
> > Ubuntu hides the boot config so I can add an entry for the gentoo
> install.
> >
>
>
> I didn't say it wasn't confusing.  ;-)  Heck, I think I asked questions
> here when I built my new rig which is sort of the reason why I
> remember.  From some discussions I have seen, I think some CPUs need a
> rocket scientist to figure out what to use.  I'm sure there is a rule
> book somewhere.  lol
>
> Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall
> correctly.  I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which
> has some magic sprinkled on it.  I'm not sure how to tell it where to
> point for the root partition tho.  That may require a thread here if
> google doesn't help.  I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers
> here than from the Ubuntu folks.  I'll forgive you if everyone else
> will.  ROFL
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
> how you interpreted my words!
>
>
> On 09/15/2012 12:28 AM, Dale wrote:
> > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall
> > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which
> > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to
> > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if
> > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers
> > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else
> > will. ROFL Dale :-) :-)
> grub2 is a completely rewritten animal, so it is *different*
>
> grub2-install /dev/sd??
>
> is the incantation to put grub2 onto the selected boot partition. Then
>
> <editor> /etc/default/grub
> grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
>
> is the incantation for making the basic configuration.  If you have
> multiple installations
> on disk, emerge "os-prober" to bring in the detection of "foreign"
> operating systems.
> This creates the grub.cfg file, which prominently features a "DO NOT
> EDIT" warning at the
> top of the file; rank beginners are advised to edit /etc/defaut/grub if
> that can make the changes
> you want, but more advanced users can edit the grub.cfg to achieve
> desired results.
>
> For example, my grub.cfg has the default entry for my preferred OS to
> boot, and then has
> entries that bing in other configuration files for various other
> situations.  I've got two
> Gentoo collections, the Fedora collection and the Windows7 config.  the
> grub2 "info"
> pages are complete but a little dense and not as well organized as they
> might be.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> --
> G.Wolfe Woodbury
>
>
>
>
> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>
>> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>
>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>>
>>> Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS.  I got one.  Anyway, it has
>>> both serial and USB connections.  I have a question about these.  I
>>> could use either one but not sure if it matters.  Does the USB
>>> connection offer any additional features over the serial connection?  I
>>> could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is
>>> serial but I have a bit of USB devices.  Also, I never disconnect the
>>> serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use.
>>> Sort of defeats the purpose I guess.  Since it also has screws to make
>>> sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one
>>> advantage.  I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection
>>> all of a sudden.  Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out?  lol
>>>
>>> So, since I already have everything set up for se
>>>  rial
>>> connections,
>>> should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> P. S.  Crap, there goes my uptime again.  :-@
>>>
>>>
>> Dale.
>>
>> It depends on the UPS wether or not you get different functionality
>> between serial or USB. You would need to check the manual and support for
>> the UPS by NUT (or whichever tool you use)
>>
>> How UPS software responds to a connection failure depends on how you
>> configure it.
>>
>> In other words. You haven't provided enough information on the UPS to
>> give any meaningfull answers :)
>>
>> Which UPS and which UPS software are you using?
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ooops.  I thought I put the model.  It's a CyberPower 1350AVR.  My old
>> UPS is a CyberPower 1250AVR but it is about 10 years old.  I have one
>> working plug left on the back of it.  I literally wore the plugs out.  lol
>>
>> According to the book, and the box, the new one uses powerpanel which is
>> the same as I use on the old UPS.  Since it uses the same drivers/software,
>> I figure it will work like my old one does.  Then again, this is newer so
>> that's why I ask.  My old one has LEDs on it where this one has a display
>> with more info than my old one.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102070
>>
>> I don't yet have the UPS hooked up to the puter.  I'm letting the battery
>> charge overnight first.  It says it is fully charged but still.  Also, if
>> it is going to blow up or something, I'd rather it do all that before I
>> plug my rig up to it.  o_O
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>> --
>> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>>
>>
> Software is MS Windows only according to that site.
> What are you using on Linux?
>
> Sometimes the software on the UPS gets changed. This might mean it is not
> compatible anymore.
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>  J. Roeleveld wrote:
>
>
>
> Software is MS Windows only according to that site.
> What are you using on Linux?
>
> Sometimes the software on the UPS gets changed. This might mean it is not
> compatible anymore.
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
> I haven't connected the UPS yet so I'm still using my old UPS and nut
> software.  It has a Linux version on the CD but no mention of Gentoo, just
> rpm and deb.  I tried to install this once before and I never got the
> software to work right.  I think it was the init scripts that caused
> trouble.
>
> I looked at the nut website and it says the new UPS uses usbhid-ups which
> appears to need to be connected to the UPS by USB.  I'll try the serial
> cable first, see what if anything it reports, then try USB and see if it
> reports the same thing.  The old UPS uses powerpanel drivers within nut.
> That is sort of confusing since they call the Linux drivers the same as the
> windows software.
>
> Looks like I'm going to have to test this to see if it works or not.  If
> it does, may need to report it to the people on the nut website.  I would
> prefer serial if it works the same myself.
>
> Thanks much.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 01:05:41AM -0400, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
> > On 09/15/2012 12:28 AM, Dale wrote:
> > > Put your kernel and such on /boot and run update-grub if I recall
> > > correctly. I installed Kubuntu for my brother and it has grub2 which
> > > has some magic sprinkled on it. I'm not sure how to tell it where to
> > > point for the root partition tho. That may require a thread here if
> > > google doesn't help. I might add, you may get better Ubuntu answers
> > > here than from the Ubuntu folks. I'll forgive you if everyone else
> > > will. ROFL Dale :-) :-)
> > grub2 is a completely rewritten animal, so it is *different*
> >
> > grub2-install /dev/sd??
> >
> > is the incantation to put grub2 onto the selected boot partition. Then
> >
> > <editor> /etc/default/grub
> > grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
>
> I figure I have to keep the existing Ubuntu install happy for a couple
> of weeks.  This is a work laptop and the Ubuntu side is productive
> right now, so gentoo is my spare time conversion, and only after I
> have it doing everything the Ubuntu install does, can I muck up
> Ubuntu.  It also is a handy reference if I get in a gentoo corner,
> like setting up X or KVM.
>
> --
>             ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._.
>      Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@×××××××.com
>   GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E  6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license
> #4933
> I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of
> room o
>
> On 2012-09-14 02:32:37 +0200, Walter Dnes said:
>
>  On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 08:08:10PM +0200, Kraus Philipp wrote
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have got a modem US Robotics 5637 and I would like to use it with
>>> Hylafax+. Hylafax works fine, all clients can create jobs, but now
>>> I would like to configure / test the modem. Can anybody explain me
>>> how I can test / configure my modem. I have installed minicom and
>>> the modem is setup under /dev/modem with this udev rules
>>>
>>
>>   I have the same type of USB dialup modem running under Gentoo.  I use
>> it for emergency backup, if my ADSL connection goes down.  First
>> question... is your kernel properly configured?  You need to select the
>> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option.  In "make menuconfig" the
>> path is...
>> Device Drivers  --->
>>    [*] USB support  --->
>>        <*>   USB Modem (CDC ACM) support
>>
>
> Thanks, I have forgot the CDC ACM module within the kernel. Rebuild my
> kernel, everything works fine except
> minicom, it shows always that my modem is offline, but if I send AT
> command the modem response
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> writes:
>
> > and for a simple reason: ml have always been. So 'old timers' and 'people
> > knowing their crap' hang around those. Then came AOL, eternal September
> and
> > forums for this new crop of lol users. And since like minded people love
> to
> > congrate...
>
> And prior to the 'modern' forums, the quality of CompuServe forums was
> (IMHO) far higher than nearly all of today's web-based forums.
>
> On 2012-09-15, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>
> > From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of
> > beat Intel to the 64 bit thing.
>
> Not really.  Intel came out with the IA64 architecture in 2001 in the
> Itanium processor. The IA64 architecture was much more RISC-like than
> the IA32 (x86) architecture.  More importantly, it wasn't good at
> running old IA32 software. It could emulate the IA32 instruction set,
> but the emulation mode produced very slow performance. Because of
> price and the poor backwards compatiblity it wasn't very popular on
> the desktop (though it was used in some high-end servers and cluster
> machines).
>
> A couple of years later, AMD came out with the AMD64 (x86-64)
> architecture in the Opteron processor. It _was_ backwards compatible
> with the IA32 and was quite popular -- though initially it was mainly
> used in IA32 mode (I still run all my AMD64 machines in IA32 mode
> because I'm too lazy to change over when there's little benefit).
>
> Once the Opteron family was widely adopted, and it became obvious that
> the 64-bit mode of AMD64 processors was going to be vastly more
> popular than the IA64 architecture, Intel jumped on board in 2004 with
> the Xeon processor which implemented the AMD64 architecture.
>
> After years and years of miserable sales, Intel finally gave up
> flogging the Itanium pocessor family and abandoned the IA64
> architecture in 2011.
>
> --
> Grant
>
>
> On 2012-09-15, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@×××××.com> wrote:
> > On 2012-09-15, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From my understanding, someone correct me if I am off here, AMD sort of
> >> beat Intel to the 64 bit thing.
>
>
> > After years and years of miserable sales, Intel finally gave up
> > flogging the Itanium pocessor family and abandoned the IA64
> > architecture in 2011.
>
> Oops, after some research on Wikipedia, it looks like that last bit is
> wrong.  Intel still appears to be making Itanium parts (but nobody
> but HP cares).
>
> Itanium is no longer supported by Microsoft, RedHat, Oracle, SAP, and
> various other SW vendors (including Intel).
>
> Most of the old Itanium server vendors (e.g. IBM, SGI, Dell) have also
> abandonded Itanium.  It seems HP is still sticking with it and is, in
> fact, has paid Intel over half a billion USD to keep it alive -- small
> wonder HP is circling the drain.
>
>
>
>
>> --- /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/mldonkey-3.1.0.ebuild 2012-02-24
>> 16:01:22.000000000 -0500
>> +++ ./mldonkey-3.1.3.ebuild     2012-09-14 09:47:39.613742734 -0400
>> @@ -92,7 +92,13 @@
>>
>>  src_compile() {
>>         export OCAMLRUNPARAM="l=256M"
>> -       emake || die "emake failed"
>> +
>> +       local my_extra_libs
>> +       if use gd; then
>> +               my_extra_libs="-lpng15"
>> +       fi
>> +
>> +       emake LIBS="${my_extra_libs}" || die "emake failed"
>>
>>         if ! use guionly; then
>>                 emake utils || die "emake utils failed"
>>
>>
> Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream.
>
> Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf.
>
> But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a init.d
> script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are almost the
> same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any differences
> related to that.
>
> Regards.
>
> --
> Alexandre Paz Mena
>
> Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was
> 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave
> normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap.
>
> I've replaced it and the problems are all gone.
>
> I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after
> a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world`
> killed my computer. :-)
>
> Dan
>
> On 09/13/2012 07:20 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
> > On 09/12/2012 09:49 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com> wrote:
> >>> So about a month ago I decided to update my kernel to the dreaded 3.x
> >>> series. My old 2.6.x kernel ...
> >> FYI Linus Torvalds says there was no change between 2.6 and 3.0.  A
> quote:
> >>
> >> So what are the big changes?  NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we
> >> have the usual two thirds driver
> >> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is
> >> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a
> >> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at
> >> all like that.
> >>
> >> You can read his entire letter here:
> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204
> >>
> >> Chris
> > When I updated, I knew about changes in 3.2 that affected USB keyboard
> > wake in suspend (& mostly how it deals with acpi. Most of the stuff
> > moved to /sys/devices, the normal /proc/acpi/wakeup didn't really do
> > anything.) This affected many users over many distros.
> >
> > It also changed how lirc works, although that happened around 2.6.38??,
> > so my htpc frontend is still on 2.6.32. When I tried updating that
> > machine to 3.0, nothing worked and I spent about a day troubleshooting
> > it before I put the image I took of it before I upgraded it back on.
> >
> > Dan
>
> On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 12:24:37 Philipp Kraus wrote:
> > On 2012-09-14 02:32:37 +0200, Walter Dnes said:
> > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 08:08:10PM +0200, Kraus Philipp wrote
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> I have got a modem US Robotics 5637 and I would like to use it with
> > >> Hylafax+. Hylafax works fine, all clients can create jobs, but now
> > >> I would like to configure / test the modem. Can anybody explain me
> > >> how I can test / configure my modem. I have installed minicom and
> > >> the modem is setup under /dev/modem with this udev rules
> > >>
> > >   I have the same type of USB dialup modem running under Gentoo.  I use
> > >
> > > it for emergency backup, if my ADSL connection goes down.  First
> > > question... is your kernel properly configured?  You need to select the
> > > USB Modem (CDC ACM) support kernel option.  In "make menuconfig" the
> > > path is...
> > > Device Drivers  --->
> > >
> > >    [*] USB support  --->
> > >
> > >        <*>   USB Modem (CDC ACM) support
> >
> > Thanks, I have forgot the CDC ACM module within the kernel. Rebuild my
> > kernel, everything works fine except
> > minicom, it shows always that my modem is offline, but if I send AT
> > command the modem response
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> I'm going from memory, so I may not have this 100% correct and I have no
> modem
> to hand to try it any more, plus what I'm going to say used to be the case
> with a serial connection to a modem.  I never had a USB modem to know if it
> would be the same.
>
> If you have a DCD line between the modem and the PC, you should get the
> status
> of the DCD signal in lower case "online/offline".
>
> If the cable between the modem and the PC has no control wire, then minicom
> would use an internal simulation of the DCD status and show the status in
> capital letters "ONLINE/OFFLINE".  In that case you will only get "ONLINE"
> if
> minicom can detect that you have enabled the modem, perhaps because data
> are
> flowing back & forth.
>
> You may want to tweak your flow-control options and see if the on/offline
> signal works when a fax is being sent/received.
>
> HTH.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>
> On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 17:28:26 Daniel Frey wrote:
> > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was
> > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave
> > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap.
> >
> > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone.
> >
> > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after
> > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world`
> > killed my computer. :-)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 09/13/2012 07:20 PM, Daniel Frey wrote:
> > > On 09/12/2012 09:49 PM, Chris Stankevitz wrote:
> > >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Daniel Frey <djqfrey@×××××.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> So about a month ago I decided to update my kernel to the dreaded 3.x
> > >>> series. My old 2.6.x kernel ...
> > >>
> > >> FYI Linus Torvalds says there was no change between 2.6 and 3.0.  A
> > >> quote:
> > >>
> > >> So what are the big changes?  NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. Sure, we
> > >> have the usual two thirds driver
> > >> changes, and a lot of random fixes, but the point is that 3.0 is
> > >> *just* about renumbering, we are very much *not* doing a KDE-4 or a
> > >> Gnome-3 here. No breakage, no special scary new features, nothing at
> > >> all like that.
> > >>
> > >> You can read his entire letter here:
> > >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >
> > > When I updated, I knew about changes in 3.2 that affected USB keyboard
> > > wake in suspend (& mostly how it deals with acpi. Most of the stuff
> > > moved to /sys/devices, the normal /proc/acpi/wakeup didn't really do
> > > anything.) This affected many users over many distros.
> > >
> > > It also changed how lirc works, although that happened around 2.6.38??,
> > > so my htpc frontend is still on 2.6.32. When I tried updating that
> > > machine to 3.0, nothing worked and I spent about a day troubleshooting
> > > it before I put the image I took of it before I upgraded it back on.
> > >
> > > Dan
>
> I was also replacing capacitors last weekend.  It is a good idea to upgrade
> them if there are alternatives of a higher maximum temperature as they will
> probably last longer.  A belts & braces approach is to add another/larger
> case
> fan to keep the in-case temperatures lower.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>
> Daniel Frey wrote:
> > Well, it turns out it was my PSU. The voltage drop on the 5V line was
> > 4.08, but it would slowly warm up to 4.95V, then the PC would behave
> > normally. I opened the PSU and there was a ruptured cap.
> >
> > I've replaced it and the problems are all gone.
> >
> > I guess it was not really a coincidence that the failure happened after
> > a major update. This isn't the first time an `emerge -pvuDN world`
> > killed my computer. :-)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
>
> *cough cough*  Maybe you need a better or more powerful power supply?
> If that cap went bad, you could have some others that are ready for the
> same problem.  I'd at least be on the look out for a new P/S.  The next
> one could go out and take a mobo or something with it.  That would be
> bad for sure.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
> how you interpreted my words!
>
>
> On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 01:27:04 Philip Webb wrote:
> > I've got my new machine basically habitable with a few small problems.
> >
> > (1) In Fluxbox, Gkrellm insists on starting on Desktop 1 ;
> > on my existing machine with the same config files, it starts on Desktop
> 8 .
> > There must be some setting somewhere which has got changed.
>
> Perhaps something like:
>
> [app] (name=gkrellm)
>   [Workspace]   {0}
> [end]
>
> instead of:
>
>   [Workspace]   {7}
>
> in your ~/.fluxbox/apps file?  Or may be you have a [Jump] {yes} command in
> there too?  Not sure if something similar in ~/.fluxbox/startup could cause
> this symptom, so have a look in there just in case.
>
>
> > (2) Luxi Mono is not coming out cleanly in Gvim or (Xfce) Terminal :
> > IIRC there's a pkg or a setting somewhere to fix it,
> > but I can't find it in my extensive notes from the past.
> >
> > (3) I have  4  heat sensors in Gkrellm : 'k10temp' + 3 * 'it87'.
> > Can anyone suggest which bit of which device each is measuring ?
>
> Emerge lm_sensors and then run sensors to see what's what.
>
> I am guessing the k10temp is the core temperature of the CPU and the it87
> the
> chip temperature sensors (3-off) from ACPI?
>
>
> > The AMD Bulldozer X4 FX-4170 4-Core 4,2 GHz is taking  c 3/8  as long
> > to compile eg Firefox or GCC as this machine's Intel Core2 Duo ;
> > they also seem to be using less Portage tempspace on disk.
> > The variable-rate fan is very impressive, ranging  2200 - 6800 rpm .
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>
> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD and naturally
> want to install gentoo.  I have installed gentoo several times but this
> is my first with an SSD.
>
> Dell configures a small first partition and places windows on two other
> partitions (one small; the other the rest of the disk).
>
> I reinstalled windows shrinking the large partition very considerably (I
> essentially never use the dell partition or windows; but they are
> convenient to have if you need service from dell).
>
> In my current system, I have
>
> /root   "native partition"
> /usr    lvm2
> /local  lvm2
> /var    lvm2
> /tmp    lvm2
> /opt    lvm2
> /a      lvm2
>
> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" (to appease the
> oracle at udev) and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration.
>
> Although I will install dracut and perhaps try/use it, I do not want my
> partitioning scheme to *force* me to use it.  I believe combining root
> and usr (off lvm2) will accomplish this goal.
>
> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined,
> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition.
> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago.  Is it back
> because of the root+usr merge?  Do people here recommend a separate
> /boot?
>
> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned.  It
> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below).  Does the
> following partitioning seem OK?
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors
> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x58737050
>
>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1              63       80324       40131   de  Dell Utility
> /dev/sda2           81920     1622015      770048    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
> /dev/sda3         1622016    64536575    31457280    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
> /dev/sda4        64536576   500118191   217790808    5  Extended
> /dev/sda5   *    64538624   127453183    31457280   83  Linux
> /dev/sda6       127455232   131649535     2097152   82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sda7       131651584   341366783   104857600   8e  Linux LVM
>
> thanks,
> allan
>
>  I'm having trouble with the pair of packages bibletime-2.9.1 and
> clucene-2.3.3.4-r3, which were both recently stabilized.  The pair of
> packages emerges without problem.   On launch of bibletime from a terminal
> command, a blank splashscreen appears,  followed in a number of seconds by
> a reported segmentation fault.  Reverting to the older pair bibletime-2.3.3
> and clucene-0.9.21b-r1 restores proper functionality.  The newer stable
> bibletime will not emerge with the older stable clucene, and the older
> stable bibletime will not emerge with the newer stable clucene.  An attempt
> with the testing version clucene-2.3.3.4-r4 did not make an apparent
> difference.
>
> I am seeing the same behavior on an amd64 machine and an x86 machine that
> are generally similarly configured.  I'd like to see if anyone else has
> observed this problem, or if I need to be looking for something specific to
> my machines.
>
> Thanks,
> Gene
>
> 120915 Mick wrote:
> > On Saturday 15 Sep 2012 01:27:04 Philip Webb wrote:
> >> (1) In Fluxbox, Gkrellm insists on starting on Desktop 1 ;
> >> on my existing machine with the same config files, it starts on Desktop
> 8 .
> >> There must be some setting somewhere which has got changed.
> > Perhaps something like:
> >
> >   [app] (name=gkrellm)
> >     [Workspace]   {0}
> >   [end]
> >
> > instead of:
> >
> >     [Workspace]   {7}
> >
> > in your ~/.fluxbox/apps file ?
> > Or may be you have a [Jump] {yes} command in there too ?
> > Not sure if something similar in ~/.fluxbox/startup could cause this,
> > so have a look in there just in case.
>
> Yes, I looked in those places, but there doesn't seem anything odd:
>
>   [app] (name=gkrellm) (class=Gkrellm)
>     [Workspace] {7}
>     [Position]  (UPPERLEFT)     {0 0}
>     [Close]     {yes}
>   [end]
>
> However, I have a custom 'apps-pp' file too,
> which mb getting defined in the new machine's 'init' file.
> I've made a note to check tomorrow.
>
> >> (2) Luxi Mono is not coming out cleanly in Gvim or (Xfce) Terminal :
> >> IIRC there's a pkg or a setting somewhere to fix it,
> >> but I can't find it in my extensive notes from the past.
>
> I've found the note buried in my notes from the 2007 installation :
> it needs a file  /dev/fonts/local.conf  with various settings, esp
>
>   <match target="font">
>       <test name="family">
>         <string>Luxi Mono</string>
>       </test>
>       <test name="pixelsize" compare="less">
>         <double>24</double>
>       </test>
>       <edit name="hinting">
>         <bool>false</bool>
>       </edit>
>     </match>
>
> HTH anyone else who gets ugly fonts in a new box.
>
> >> (3) I have  4  heat sensors in Gkrellm : 'k10temp' + 3 * 'it87'.
> >> Can anyone suggest which bit of which device each is measuring ?
> > I am guessing the k10temp is the core temperature of the CPU
> > and the it87 the chip temperature sensors (3-off) from ACPI?
>
> Well, I can guess equally well (smile). When compiling Firefox &
> LibreOffice,
> the 'it87-3' reached  68 C  once, while the other  3  were lower ;
> all  4  CPUs were working at  99 %  at the time.
> IIRC the displayed temperatures are not very accurate: when not active,
>  3  of the values were well below room temperature, which sb impossible.
>
> I have the impression that the rate of CPU work is being controlled
> in order to keep the temperature safely below the cut-off point
> which I've set in BIOS, ie  70 C ; also, the variable fan is very
> impressive.
> If so, it must be due to the combination of AMD + Gigabyte (mobo).
>
> Thanks for the advice.  (1) must be fairly easy, when I find out why.
> Any further info re (3) wb very welcome.
>
> --
> ========================,,============================================
> SUPPORT     ___________//___,   Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> TRANSIT    `-O----------O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>
>
> Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>
>> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD and naturally
>> want to install gentoo.  I have installed gentoo several times but this
>> is my first with an SSD.
>>
>> Dell configures a small first partition and places windows on two other
>> partitions (one small; the other the rest of the disk).
>>
>> I reinstalled windows shrinking the large partition very considerably (I
>> essentially never use the dell partition or windows; but they are
>> convenient to have if you need service from dell).
>>
>> In my current system, I have
>>
>> /root   "native partition"
>> /usr    lvm2
>> /local  lvm2
>> /var    lvm2
>> /tmp    lvm2
>> /opt    lvm2
>> /a      lvm2
>>
>> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" (to appease the
>> oracle at udev) and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration.
>>
>> Although I will install dracut and perhaps try/use it, I do not want my
>> partitioning scheme to *force* me to use it.  I believe combining root
>> and usr (off lvm2) will accomplish this goal.
>>
>> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined,
>> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition.
>> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago.  Is it back
>> because of the root+usr merge?  Do people here recommend a separate
>> /boot?
>>
>
> It's just the way the Gentoo docs have always been. As with most things
> related to Unix, retrospective justifications are commonplace. I think it
> made a good deal more sense 10 years ago than it does today. Back then,
> ext2 was a safer option for boot loaders and live-distros alike. Nowadays,
> it generally doesn't matter and can be a source of confusion (I always
> thought that the self-referencing boot symlink was silly). There are some
> situations where it could afford more flexibility. However, I no longer
> specify a separate /boot unless there is a clear case for doing so.
>
>
>> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned.  It
>> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below).  Does the
>> following partitioning seem OK?
>>
>> Disk /dev/sda: 256.1 GB, 256060514304 bytes
>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 31130 cylinders, total 500118192 sectors
>> Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
>> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
>> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
>> Disk identifier: 0x58737050
>>
>>     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/sda1              63       80324       40131   de  Dell Utility
>> /dev/sda2           81920     1622015      770048    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
>> /dev/sda3         1622016    64536575    31457280    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
>> /dev/sda4        64536576   500118191   217790808    5  Extended
>> /dev/sda5   *    64538624   127453183    31457280   83  Linux
>> /dev/sda6       127455232   131649535     2097152   82  Linux swap /
>> Solaris
>> /dev/sda7       131651584   341366783   104857600   8e  Linux LVM
>>
>
> These are all perfectly aligned except for the first partition, not that
> it matters. Incidentally, no special parameters are required for tools such
> as pvcreate, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.xfs and such. They will generally do the right
> thing based on the information exposed by sysfs.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Kerin
>
> 120915 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> > I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD
> > and naturally want to install Gentoo.  This is my first with an SSD.
> > I reinstalled Windows shrinking the large partition very considerably
>
> That much is what I did with my EEE netbook 2008 .
> M$ has  2  uses : when you need to test things with your ISP,
> who is familiar with the Windows configuration process ;
> when you want to play bridge with the machine (no bridge for Linux !).
>
> > My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" to appease
> > the oracle at udev and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration.
>
> Now we've moved to my current installation on my newly-built desktop box,
> my 1st SSD too.  It's working very well & I've dropped LVM.
> My partitions on the SSD are (new box, old box assigned, old box used):
>
>   SSD  sda  1  boot     0,6   0,1   0,06  /boot
>             2  root      30  20     3,55  / incl : opt usr var
>             3  swap       4   4    --     swap
>             5  home      30  20     6,84  /home
>             6  portage   15  20     3,43  /usr/portage (distfiles 2,3)
>            --  var       --   5     1,4   /var
>             7  z         41  24     1,5   /z
>                total    121  93,1  19,45
>
>                tmpfs     --  --    --     /tmp
>
> I've put  /usr/local  +  /usr/src  on my HDD, which your laptop lacks,
> but you've got  128 GB  more space on your SSD than I have
> & you wb backing it up on some other machine, I assume,
> so you have lots of space for more partitions for such things.
> ( /z  is a big hangar for making ISOs, testing archives, Portage tempdir).
> NB I've assigned vastly more space than I'm currently actually using.
>
> > I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned.
> > It appears that fdisk is doing this automatically.
>
> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way.
> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly
> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more.
>
> --
> ========================,,============================================
> SUPPORT     ___________//___,   Philip Webb
> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
> TRANSIT    `-O----------O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
>
>
> Philip Webb wrote:
>
>> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way.
>> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly
>> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more.
>>
>
> Microsoft have been doing the right thing since Vista SP1, long before the
> Linux ecosystem pulled its collective head out of the sand. Regarding the
> available partitioning tools, fdisk from util-linux-2.18 onwards is safe.
> Gentoo was extremely slow on the uptake in getting this issue resolved but
> that's water under the bridge now. Any release media from around the time
> bug #356941 was closed will be safe.
>
> I usually validate the starting boundary of a partition in this fashion:
>
> echo $(( 64538624 % 8 )) # 0 == 1MiB aligned == good
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Kerin
>
> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote:
>
> > Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> >>
> >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr combined,
> >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot partition.
> >> I had thought that went out of favor a few years ago.  Is it back
> >> because of the root+usr merge?  Do people here recommend a separate
> >> /boot?
> >
> > It's just the way the Gentoo docs have always been. As with most
> > things related to Unix, retrospective justifications are
> > commonplace. I think it made a good deal more sense 10 years ago than
> > it does today. Back then, ext2 was a safer option for boot loaders and
> > live-distros alike. Nowadays, it generally doesn't matter and can be a
> > source of confusion (I always thought that the self-referencing boot
> > symlink was silly). There are some situations where it could afford
> > more flexibility. However, I no longer specify a separate /boot unless
> > there is a clear case for doing so.
>
> Thanks.  I will do the same
> >
> >>
> >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned.  It
> >> appears that fdisk is doing this automatically (see below).  Does the
> >> following partitioning seem OK?
> >>
> > These are all perfectly aligned except for the first partition, not
> > that it matters. Incidentally, no special parameters are required for
> > tools such as pvcreate, mkfs.ext4, mkfs.xfs and such. They will
> > generally do the right thing based on the information exposed by
> > sysfs.
>
> I was actually thinking about just that as I will be using mkfs.ext4 and
> many of the lvm tools, so thanks in advance.
>
> allan
>
> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Philip Webb wrote:
>
> > 120915 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> >> I just received a new laptop (dell 6430s) with a 256GB SSD
> >> and naturally want to install Gentoo.  This is my first with an SSD.
> >> I reinstalled Windows shrinking the large partition very considerably
> >
> > That much is what I did with my EEE netbook 2008 .
> > M$ has  2  uses : when you need to test things with your ISP,
> > who is familiar with the Windows configuration process ;
> > when you want to play bridge with the machine (no bridge for Linux !).
>
> I don't play bridge but do find windows also useful when dealing with
> dell if there are any hardware issues.
>
> >> My plan is to have root+usr on one "native partition" to appease
> >> the oracle at udev and the rest on lvm2 as in my current configuration.
> >
> > It's working very well & I've dropped LVM.
>
> I toyed with that thought after the udev business, but eventually
> decided to stay with LVM.
>
> > My partitions on the SSD are (new box, old box assigned, old box used):
> >
> >   SSD  sda  1  boot     0,6   0,1   0,06  /boot
> >             2  root      30  20     3,55  / incl : opt usr var
> >             3  swap       4   4    --     swap
> >             5  home      30  20     6,84  /home
> >             6  portage   15  20     3,43  /usr/portage (distfiles 2,3)
> >            --  var       --   5     1,4   /var
> >             7  z         41  24     1,5   /z
> >                total    121  93,1  19,45
> >
> >                tmpfs     --  --    --     /tmp
>
> I am embarrassed to say I had trouble reading the above, embarrassed
> because it show provincial habits.  I didn't even consider that , could
> be a decimal point.  Now it is clear
>
> > I've put  /usr/local  +  /usr/src  on my HDD, which your laptop lacks,
> > but you've got  128 GB  more space on your SSD than I have
> > & you wb backing it up on some other machine, I assume,
> > so you have lots of space for more partitions for such things.
>
> Correct.
>
> > ( /z  is a big hangar for making ISOs, testing archives, Portage
> tempdir).
> > NB I've assigned vastly more space than I'm currently actually using.
>
> I have the equivalent on my current system and will probably carry it
> over as well.
>
> >> I know that it is important to have ssd partitions well aligned.
> >> It appears that fdisk is doing this automatically.
> >
> > Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way.
> > I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly
> > or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more.
>
> No for dell, yes for microsoft, yes for fdisk (at least emacs calc says
> so).
>
> thanks,
> allan
>
> On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 21:42 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote:
> >
> > > Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr
> combined,
> > >> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot
> partition.
> ...
>
> Sorta related ... can someone comment on, or point to a guide about the
> relationship between partitioning, LVM and filesystems?  In particular,
> it seems to me that if you are going to the bother of partitioning to
> boundaries, whatever you put into that should also be aligned.
>
> Would like to sort it out as my new macbook air with an SSD from work
> should be arriving soon and I intend going separate /usr and LVM/btrfs
> for all except the root and boot partitions.
>
> BillK
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote:
>
> > Philip Webb wrote:
> >> Yes, iff you partition the whole disk that way.
> >> I don't know whether Dell + M$ located their partitions correctly
> >> or whether Fdisk will start at the proper place when adding more.
> >
> > Microsoft have been doing the right thing since Vista SP1,
>
> I remember the bad days (me et al) when it was a pain to get the windows
> partition shrunk and willing to accept a grub mbr.  I always allocated a
> whole day (alone, since I would be grouchy) to do that and often needed
> more time.  I think it was around vista, where it just became easy.  It
> was certainly easy with the current windows 7.
>
> > long before the Linux ecosystem pulled its collective head out of the
> > sand. Regarding the available partitioning tools, fdisk from
> > util-linux-2.18 onwards is safe. Gentoo was extremely slow on the
> > uptake in getting this issue resolved but that's water under the
> > bridge now. Any release media from around the time bug #356941 was
> > closed will be safe.
>
> I used a live CD from nov 3 2011
>
> livecd ~ # uname -a
> Linux livecd 3.0.6-gentoo #1 SMP Thu Nov 3 12:50:42 UTC 2011 x86_64
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
>
> > I usually validate the starting boundary of a partition in this fashion:
> >
> > echo $(( 64538624 % 8 )) # 0 == 1MiB aligned == good
>
> right.  I used emacs calc.
>
> allan
>
> William Kenworthy wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 21:42 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 15 2012, Kerin Millar wrote:
>>>
>>>  Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was not surprised to see that the latest manual has root+usr
>>>>> combined,
>>>>> but was surprised that they specify an additional small /boot
>>>>> partition.
>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>
>> Sorta related ... can someone comment on, or point to a guide about the
>> relationship between partitioning, LVM and filesystems?  In particular,
>> it seems to me that if you are going to the bother of partitioning to
>> boundaries, whatever you put into that should also be aligned.
>>
>
> There's no bother whatsoever entailed with current release media. If you
> are setting all of this up on commodity hardware, it's all taken care of
> for you.
>
> So as to satisfy your curiosity, one exception I have encountered is with
> systems that use LSI MegaRAID hardware. In this case, the information
> required for tools such as pvcreate and mkfs.xfs to function optimally is
> not conveyed to userspace. In the unlikely event that you need to take
> matters into your own hands, you may find this informative:
>
> http://www.**mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/**06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-*
> *disk-raid-the-theory/<http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2011/06/09/aligning-io-on-a-hard-disk-raid-the-theory/>
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Kerin
>
> On 09/15/2012 11:59 AM, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream.
> >
> > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf.
> >
> > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a
> > init.d script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are
> > almost the same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any
> > differences related to that.
>
> The init scripts are usually stored in the package's "files" directory.
> You should see the mldonkey one here:
>
>   $ ls /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/files/
>   total 12K
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K 2008-06-30 12:12 2.9.5-execstacks.patch
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  887 2007-01-24 12:40 mldonkey.confd-2.8
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2011-10-23 14:22 mldonkey.initd
>
> The ebuild in portage (tries to) install this:
>
>   ...
>   newinitd "${FILESDIR}/mldonkey.initd" mldonkey
>
>
> A guess: you copied the ebuilds to an overlay, but didn't copy the
> "files" directory. Normally you'd get an error as a result, but there's
> a bug (lots of them, actually) in the ebuild. In earlier EAPIs, the
> dofoo/newfoo functions could fail but would not do so automatically. The
> usual way to handle this is with e.g.
>
>   newinitd x y || die "newinitd didn't work"
>
> The ebuild doesn't do this, so it happily continues after failing to
> install the init script.
>
> Hi,
> strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1):
> it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped
> responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a),
> all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used.
> Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few
> "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache
> was already unable to send reply.
>
> Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it
> "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have
> about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my
> config so that apache never runs out of memory?
>
> server-info:
> Timeouts: connection: 60    keep-alive: 15
> MPM Name: Prefork
> MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes
> Module Name: prefork.c
>       31: StartServers 5
>       32: MinSpareServers 5
>       33: MaxSpareServers 10
>       34: MaxClients 150
>
> Jarry
>
> --
> ______________________________**______________________________**___
> This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists!
> Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
>
> Ok, thank you very much!
>
> Apart from that, I should add those files to the dependencies, right?
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Michael Orlitzky <michael@××××××××.com>wrote:
>
>> On 09/15/2012 11:59 AM, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks, I'll post a bug to upstream.
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, instead of adding libs, I worked adding them to econf.
>> >
>> > But a new problem has appeared, mldonkey-3.1.3 seems to not have a
>> > init.d script. I thought that was the ebuild work, but both ebuilds are
>> > almost the same and now I'm looking through the tarballs to see any
>> > differences related to that.
>>
>> The init scripts are usually stored in the package's "files" directory.
>> You should see the mldonkey one here:
>>
>>   $ ls /usr/portage/net-p2p/mldonkey/files/
>>   total 12K
>>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K 2008-06-30 12:12 2.9.5-execstacks.patch
>>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  887 2007-01-24 12:40 mldonkey.confd-2.8
>>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1K 2011-10-23 14:22 mldonkey.initd
>>
>> The ebuild in portage (tries to) install this:
>>
>>   ...
>>   newinitd "${FILESDIR}/mldonkey.initd" mldonkey
>>
>>
>> A guess: you copied the ebuilds to an overlay, but didn't copy the
>> "files" directory. Normally you'd get an error as a result, but there's
>> a bug (lots of them, actually) in the ebuild. In earlier EAPIs, the
>> dofoo/newfoo functions could fail but would not do so automatically. The
>> usual way to handle this is with e.g.
>>
>>   newinitd x y || die "newinitd didn't work"
>>
>> The ebuild doesn't do this, so it happily continues after failing to
>> install the init script.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandre Paz Mena
>
> Hi all,
>         I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing
> Samba on. When I do:
>
> emerge -NuD --pretend samba
>
> I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python,
> V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also
> stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and
> still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older version,
> V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still wants python,
> V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages that follow
> Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python or already have
> "-python" set.
>
>         Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. Does
> anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought in? I
> haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully someone has
> come across this problem before.
>
>         Any thoughts greatly appreciated,
>
>                 Andrew
>
> On Sep 16, 2012 1:05 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <agl@×××××××.au> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >         I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing
> Samba on. When I do:
> >
> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba
> >
> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python,
> V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also
> stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and
> still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older version,
> V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still wants python,
> V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages that follow
> Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python or already have
> "-python" set.
> >
> >         Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything.
> Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought
> in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully
> someone has come across this problem before.
> >
> >         Any thoughts greatly appreciated,
> >
> >                 Andrew
> >
>
> Hi, when you are dealing with python always remember that the API has
> changed between version 2 and 3 so python 3 can't handle python 2 scripts.
>
> So what I think emerge is doing here is installing python 2.7 beside 3.2.
>
> When you add the verbose flag to the emerge command, you will probably see
> something like [ NS ] or [ uS ] at the beginning of the python line. The S
> stands for new slot, so both version will be installedbecause samba or one
> of it's dependency is using python 2 scripts.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards
>
> Randolph Maaßen
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800
> Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >       I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing
> > Samba on. When I do:
> >
> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba
> >
> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including
> > Python, V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed.
> > I've also stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and
> > that's all and still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python
> > - the older version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use
> > and it still wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables
> > for the packages that follow Python in the emerge list and they
> > either don't want python or already have "-python" set.
> >
> >       Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything.
> > Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be
> > brought in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as
> > hopefully someone has come across this problem before.
> >
> >       Any thoughts greatly appreciated,
> >
> >               Andrew
> >
>
> Python is slotted (see gentoo docs for more info on SLOTS).
>
> Samba is not downgrading python, it is asking for python-2.7 to be
> installed alongside python-3.2 (so you will then have both).
>
> Just accept what portage says and let it do it;s thing - there are many
> packages out there that are not ported to python-3 yet so you almost
> certainly are going to need python-2.7 at some point anyway.
>
> --
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@×××××.com
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>
> > I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages
> > that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python
> > or already have "-python" set.
>
> You've already had a reply about the slotted nature of python, but you
> also need to understand that USE flags are not dependency lists. USE
> flags cover optional features, if a package has an option python module,
> bindings or scripts, a USE flag may determine whether they are installed.
> But if a package needs python2, no amount of fudging with USE flags will
> change that fact.
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> Programmer (n): A red-eyed, mumbling mammal capable of conversing
> with inanimate objects.
>
> Am Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:59:33 +0800
> schrieb Andrew Lowe <agl@×××××××.au>:
>
> > Hi all,
>
> Hi,
>
> >       I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing
> Samba on.
> > When I do:
> >
> > emerge -NuD --pretend samba
> >
> > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including Python,
> > V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed. I've also
> > stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and that's all and
> > still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python - the older
> > version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and it still
> > wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the packages
> > that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't want python
> > or already have "-python" set.
> >
> >       Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything. Does
> > anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought in?
> > I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully
> > someone has come across this problem before.
>
> First of all: Python 2 and 3 are (partly) incompatible versions of the
> language.
> They can be installed in parallel in different slots (the emerge output
> will
> have contained "NS" at one point, for "New Slot"). So you are not so much
> downgrading python as installing an older version in addition to the
> current
> version. Although "older" and "newer" are misleading, since they have both
> been
> under active development in parallel since Python 3 was released.
>
> Second: you can use the "-t" (or "--tree") option of emerge to get a tree
> view
> of the dependencies, so that you can see what exactly is pulling in
> python-2.7.3. But it sounds like some dependency of samba has a hard
> dependency
> on Python 2, so you probably cannot control it.
>
> >       Any thoughts greatly appreciated,
> >
> >               Andrew
>
> HTH
> --
> Marc Joliet
> --
> "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
> don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
>
> On 09/16/12 19:19, Randolph Maaßen wrote:
>
>> On Sep 16, 2012 1:05 PM, "Andrew Lowe" <agl@×××××××.au
>> <mailto:agl@×××××××.au>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Hi all,
>>  >         I've got a media server that I'm in the process of installing
>> Samba on. When I do:
>>  >
>>  > emerge -NuD --pretend samba
>>  >
>>  > I get a list of stuff that portage wants to install, including
>> Python, V2.7.3, even though the machine already has V3.2.3 installed.
>> I've also stripped down the USE variables to basically "server" and
>> that's all and still for some reason portage wants to bring in Python -
>> the older version, V2. I've even added a "-python" to packages.use and
>> it still wants python, V2. I've had a look at the USE variables for the
>> packages that follow Python in the emerge list and they either don't
>> want python or already have "-python" set.
>>  >
>>  >         Having a play around with equery also didn't reveal anything.
>> Does anyone have any ideas as to what's causing old Python to be brought
>> in? I haven't posted the whole "emerge --info" stuff yet as hopefully
>> someone has come across this problem before.
>>  >
>>  >         Any thoughts greatly appreciated,
>>  >
>>  >                 Andrew
>>  >
>>
>> Hi, when you are dealing with python always remember that the API has
>> changed between version 2 and 3 so python 3 can't handle python 2 scripts.
>>
>> So what I think emerge is doing here is installing python 2.7 beside 3.2.
>>
>> When you add the verbose flag to the emerge command, you will probably
>> see something like [ NS ] or [ uS ] at the beginning of the python line.
>> The S stands for new slot, so both version will be installedbecause
>> samba or one of it's dependency is using python 2 scripts.
>>
>
> Randolph,
>         You have guessed correctly, I get NS. But to me, the question is
> why do I even need python at all for something that is a file sharing
> daemon? I've turned off CUPS etc etc, I just want file sharing to the M$
> world, not all the other fluff. I suppose I'll have to have a look at the
> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in the
> first place.
>
>         Andrew
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>
> > I suppose I'll have to have a look at the
> > ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in
> > the first place.
>
> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't
> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't
> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see
> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass
> inherited by one of the ebuilds.
>
> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage
> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build
> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be
> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage.
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> Top Oxymorons Number 47: Act naturally
>
> Am 16.09.2012 08:55, schrieb Jarry:
> > Hi,
> > strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1):
> > it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped
> > responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a),
> > all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used.
> > Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few
> > "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache
> > was already unable to send reply.
> >
> > Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it
> > "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have
> > about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my
> > config so that apache never runs out of memory?
> >
> > server-info:
> > Timeouts: connection: 60    keep-alive: 15
> > MPM Name: Prefork
> > MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes
> > Module Name: prefork.c
> >       31: StartServers 5
> >       32: MinSpareServers 5
> >       33: MaxSpareServers 10
> >       34: MaxClients 150
> >
> > Jarry
> >
>
>
> Hi,
>
> try reducing MaxClients to 64, StartServers and MinSpareServers to 2 and
> then observe how things develop. If you then feel apache is to slow to
> respond to request under load, try increasing MinSpareServer one at a
> time. But always keep in mind: every fork of apache eats your memory.
>
> On 09/16/12 19:53, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>>
>>  I suppose I'll have to have a look at the
>>> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in
>>> the first place.
>>>
>>
>> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't
>> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't
>> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see
>> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass
>> inherited by one of the ebuilds.
>>
>> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage
>> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build
>> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be
>> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage.
>>
>>  Neil,
>         Looks like you've hit the nail on the head. The media machine has
> just had a new install of Gentoo done and according to "eselect python
> list", I only have V3.2. Nothing has been removed, just a few things added
> so it looks like the default "install" only does V3.2. Looks like I'll have
> to put up with it, the compile time on the little machine is a killer, and
> let the install happen.
>
>         Thanks for the feedback everyone,
>
>                 Andrew
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Michael Hampicke <gentoo-user@××××.biz>
> wrote:
> > Am 16.09.2012 08:55, schrieb Jarry:
> >> Hi,
> >> strange thing happened to my web-server (apache-2.2.22-r1):
> >> it started forking untill it used all ram/swap and stopped
> >> responding. I counted ~60 apache processes running (ps -a),
> >> all sleeping, top showed no load except all memory being used.
> >> Log-files showed nothing suspicious to me, except for a few
> >> "GET / HTTP/1.1 200 40" messages at the time when apache
> >> was already unable to send reply.
> >>
> >> Apparently my apache is not correctly configured when it
> >> "forked to death", but maybe someone can help me. I have
> >> about 1GB memory for apache. What should I change in my
> >> config so that apache never runs out of memory?
> >>
> >> server-info:
> >> Timeouts: connection: 60    keep-alive: 15
> >> MPM Name: Prefork
> >> MPM Information: Max Daemons: 150 Threaded: no Forked: yes
> >> Module Name: prefork.c
> >>       31: StartServers 5
> >>       32: MinSpareServers 5
> >>       33: MaxSpareServers 10
> >>       34: MaxClients 150
> >>
> >> Jarry
> >>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > try reducing MaxClients to 64, StartServers and MinSpareServers to 2 and
> > then observe how things develop. If you then feel apache is to slow to
> > respond to request under load, try increasing MinSpareServer one at a
> > time. But always keep in mind: every fork of apache eats your memory.
>
> And sucks up system entropy. And increases connection latency, if
> you've already got a request waiting on that fork to spin up.
>
> I have StartServers, MinSpareServers, MaxSpareServers and MaxClients
> all pegged to the same value. And on the server in question, they'll
> all pegged to '10'.
>
> I have MaxRequestsPerChild set to 20000, so that any leaky processes
> get cleaned up.
>
> Because I need to fit a lot of operation into a limited space, I need
> to be able to reasonably predict how much RAM is going to be in use by
> each of my services. A "MaxClients" of 10 may seem small, but that's
> what Squid is for; only requests Squid couldn't cache get passed on to
> Apache.
>
> The server I'm describing is a VM with 4GB of RAM, and is also running
> MySQL, squid and memcached. For those playing with the numbers in
> their head, each of these numbers reflect RES (code+data resident in
> RAM):
>
> * Each Apache process is consuming 80-100MB of RAM.
> * Squid is consuming 666MB of RAM
> * memcached is consuming 822MB of RAM
> * mysqld is consuming 886MB of RAM
> * The kernel is using 110MB of RAM for buffers
> * The kernel is using 851MB of RAM for file cache (which benefits squid).
>
> And, not RAM, but potentially of interest for the curious:
> * The MySQL db is consuming 3.8GB on disk.
> * The Squid cache is about 9.2GB on disk.
>
>
> --
> :wq
>
> On 09/16/12 04:20, Alexandre Paz Mena wrote:
> > Ok, thank you very much!
> >
> > Apart from that, I should add those files to the dependencies, right?
>
> Nope, all you should have to do is copy the net-p2p/mldonkey/files
> directory into the corresponding directory in your overlay.
>
> The "2.9.5-execstacks.patch" file might not be needed for the 3.1.x
> you're building, but it won't hurt anything to leave it there.
>
> Hello,
>
> can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC?
>
> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance
>
> I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy
> the tree from Notebook, because is up to date.
>
>
> Thanks for help.
>
>
> Regards
> Silvio
>
> Andrew Lowe wrote:
>
>> On 09/16/12 19:53, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:32:11 +0800, Andrew Lowe wrote:
>>>
>>>  I suppose I'll have to have a look at the
>>>> ebuild to try and work out why this thingy wants Python, any python, in
>>>> the first place.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Portage is written in Python, which raises the question of why you didn't
>>> have python:2 installed in the first place. The samba ebuild doesn't
>>> include a dependency on python, so you'll need to do and emerge -t to see
>>> which packages do pull it in, but I suspect it is required by an eclass
>>> inherited by one of the ebuilds.
>>>
>>> If so, Samba itself does not need Python to do it's job, but portage
>>> needs Python in order to install Samba. that would make it a build
>>> dependency which could be uninstalled after Samba was merged, but I'd be
>>> nervous about removing Python from any Gentoo system that uses portage.
>>>
>>>  Neil,
>> Looks like you've hit the nail on the head. The media machine has just
>> had a new install of Gentoo done and according to "eselect python list",
>> I only have V3.2. Nothing has been removed, just a few things added so
>> it looks like the default "install" only does V3.2. Looks like I'll have
>> to put up with it, the compile time on the little machine is a killer,
>> and let the install happen.
>>
>
> Portage works with either instance of python and its ebuild has "python2"
> and "python3" USE flags. Alas, the build system of sys-libs/talloc seems to
> require python:2.6 or python:2.7. I would suggest adding
> dev-lang/python:2.7 to the world file so as to protect it from being reaped
> by emerge --depclean, only to be required again for future builds.
>
> Incidentally, one of the first things I do on a Gentoo system is mask
> >=dev-lang/python-3.0 and rebuild affected packages against python-2.7. I
> have yet to find a single instance where having both installed is helpful.
> Even major applications such as Django still don't support Py3k.
>
> Regarding the increase in compilation time, you could get a head start by
> grabbing a binary package from tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Kerin
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:52:54 +0200
> Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC?
>
> Yes. There is only one tree, not different one for different arches.
>
> So it does not matter where you get your tree from, only that you do
> have a copy.
>
> Do make sure that owners and permissions are set to something that will
> work on the destination after the copy.
>
>
> >
> > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance
> >
> > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy
> > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for help.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Silvio
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alan McKinnon
> alan.mckinnon@×××××.com
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:52:54 +0200
> Silvio Siefke <siefke_listen@×××.de> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > can i copy the portage tree from my Notebook to the desktop PC?
> >
> > http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Networkless_Maintenance
> >
> > I use this as help, but must i load the portage latest or can copy
> > the tree from Notebook, because is up to date.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for help.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Silvio
>
> I don't know if this handles things like package renames that get
> processed at the end of syncing.  Maybe emerge knows to do this on the
> next run?  I haven't tried this way, can someone confirm?
>
> One way that works is to uncomment the [gentoo-portage] entry in
> /etc/rsync.conf on your laptop, start rsyncd, then point your desktop
> to sync from your laptop with:
>
> SYNC="rsync://ip.of.laptop.here/gentoo-portage"
>
> in make.conf, and do an emerge --sync / eix-sync as normal.
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan
>
>