Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Council vs Umbrella Corp ?

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 6:47 PM james <garftd@×××××××.net> wrote:
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> On 8/29/20 4:49 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
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> Perhaps a read only mechanism could publish all of that financial data?
> Perhaps timely data entry, should be a requirement?

As part of the cleanup Robin has published a fair bit of this stuff on
the Foundation wiki (on the Gentoo wiki).  I'd encourage those
interested to browse.

The stuff that is private (account nos, payees, etc) is in an
infra-hosted private git repo.  That is actually a big improvement
because a lot of the problems came from it being in a box at
somebody's home for a number of years, which made it hard to tell what
was going on, and without going into details we'll just say that
reports were not always accurate.

> Can/will you summarize the collective reason to get rid of the
> Foundation or any other component of Gentoo management? If they are not
> being paid, why the rush to terminate?

So, mgorny outlined a lot of that on the blog.  The concern is that
we've finally gotten to a clean state, and now we ought to figure out
where we're going while we're STILL in a clean state.

Otherwise our bus factor is pretty low before things start slipping
again, and if we get out of compliance then changing things will be
harder.

> Are there resources for access to those discussions, meeting minutes
> notes and such? Audio recording of meetings or some sort of summary?

Just about everything is on the Foundation wiki pages, or the -nfp
list (which is archived).  I recommend browsing the recent history if
you're interested - it is a very low-traffic list.  Discussions on the
fate of the Foundation can be a bit noisy, but you can just skip any
really long threads if you're looking for more housekeeping stuff.
The Trustee meeting minutes on the wiki is where much of the meat is,
though the community discussion leading up to decisions tends to be on
the lists.

> Redundancy, is a key component of most all of computer science. Trust,
> but verify, is another fundamental tenant. If your want formal
> references, its under the blanket term of 'Fault Tolerance'. I write
> this for the benefit of all readers.

This is what I'm really getting at.  And really this is what I mean by
cloud.  I don't mean moving everything from a non-replicated infra to
a non-replicated single cloud provider.  I mean trying to move to more
distributed technologies so that we can be replicated on many
providers, which could be cloud or individually hosted or whatever.

Unfortunately while this is very straightforward for git it isn't so
straightforward for a lot of other stuff, in particular bugzilla.

I trimmed down the reply quite a bit because much of what you asked
about is largely already discussed or I don't have much to add.  There
are pros and cons to all the options and I don't think anybody
questions that.  This is part of why we're in analysis paralysis.

-- 
Rich