Re: [gentoo-user] No mailer for Gentoo???

[gevisz]

2013/9/6 Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com>

> On 06-Sep-13 18:56, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> On 06/09/2013 18:21, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Jarry <mr.jarry@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06-Sep-13 17:32, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/06/2013 11:23 AM, Jarry wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wasn't part of @system before, you just removed the thing that
>>>>>>>> pulled
>>>>>>>> it in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No I did not. mail-mta/ssmtp was part of stage3. And I did not
>>>>>>> remove now any "thing" that pulled it in. All I did was
>>>>>>> "emerge --ask --update --deep --newuse world".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a result, python-exec, python-argparse and libxml2 were
>>>>>>> reinstalled and automake-wrapper, gtk-doc-am, eselect and
>>>>>>> linux-header updated. Nothing else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After that I did "emerge --depclean" and the above mentioned
>>>>>>> packages were suddenly removed...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be that a package's deps were updated to no longer include
>>>>>> virtual/mta. But it was never part of @system, you can check for
>>>>>> yourself:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-**bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/**
>>>>>> profiles/base/packages?view=**log<http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/packages?view=log>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then something got broken because I have packages installed
>>>>> that need mailer (i.e. app-admin/monit or sys-fs/mdadm are
>>>>> configured to send emails). And these packages do not have
>>>>> "mail" use-flag, because their maintainers apparently expect
>>>>> standard *nix mailer (/usr/bin/sendmail) exists on the system...
>>>>>
>>>>> So now I have "stable" system, updated to the latest level,
>>>>> where a lot of things suddenly do not work. This should *never*
>>>>> happen! If it was some package's dep that caused it, it's clear
>>>>> this change was premature...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think is a bug in the packages. In my system the only package that
>>>> pulls vitual/mta (and therefore ssmtp) is vixie-cron.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The change happened in the cron eclass:
>>>
>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-**bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/**
>>> eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15&r2=**1.16<http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/cron.eclass?r1=1.15&r2=1.16>
>>>
>>>  From the commit log: "Per extensive discussion with zmedico about
>>> removing the need for package.provided, several packages have been
>>> changed, like sudo, to not explicitly require an mta. Cron will
>>> follow, leaving mta support optional."
>>>
>>> The rationale (I suppose) is that the programs in question still work,
>>> just the sending of emails fails.
>>>
>>> Good riddance, if you ask me. If you need/want an MTA, just install
>>> ssmtp by hand.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed. It's a bit daft relying on a cron daemon to be the only package
>> pulling in a mailer. One can't even argue that it makes sense as a
>> default - cron merely has this feature to notify the root user if a cron
>> job wrote something to STDOUT.
>>
>> That's a notification. It is not an absolute need to have sendmail.
>>
>> If you want a syslogger, install a syslogger.
>> If you want a print server, install a print server.
>> Likewise, if you want a mailer, install one.
>>
>
> If I want syslog-support, I add "syslog" to USE.
> If I want ssl-support, I add "ssl" to USE.
> If I want perl-support, I add "perl" to USE.
> If I want mta-support, I add... wait, no! I can not add "mta"
> to USE, I have to install mta manually...
>
> Got the picture now?


The gnome USE does not install Gnome for you.

Sorry for that.


>
>
> Jarry
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