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Willie Wong ha scritto: |
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> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:33:04PM +0200, b.n. wrote: |
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>> ehm, I guess I wasn't clear. |
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>> You *already* knew: |
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>> - That there are texlive and tetex |
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>> - That tetex was EOLed and texlive was the next choice |
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>> - That tetex and texlive are mutually exclusive |
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>> - That the ebuild was in the tree |
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> Oh.. that... |
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Yes I know. People's ignorance is amazing, isn't it? :) |
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> tetex was not running into problems. tetex has almost always been a |
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> one man act, and the maintainer, who, after over a decade of |
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> maintaining bug fixes and what-nots, finally decided that he has no |
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> more time and no longer cares enough. And he pulled through until a |
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> viable alternative was available. |
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Well, that's among what I call "running into problems". Having a |
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software you rely upon being discontinued is not nice. |
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>> - Knowing nothing about what tetex, texlive etc. are, I even could |
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>> expect that they could happily live together (e.g., if they are two |
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>> implementations of tex, that one could eselect one or the other. Naive, |
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>> but why not?) |
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>> - Knowing nothing about texlive, I couldn't know there was its ebuild. |
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> The best thing to do would be to ask here, I think. Of course, that |
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> leads to the problem of you not knowing that a question ought to be |
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> asked to start with... |
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Yes, that's exactly the trouble. Once I know there is a question, I can |
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google it myself, asking on forums and MLs, etc. But how I know? |
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> Let's just say I have an exceptionally good memory. The death of tetex |
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> was announced about two years ago |
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> http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20060612-newsletter.xml |
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> and I know I also saw that fact somewhere on /. (perhaps not an |
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> article but a comment). After I saw the announcements, I went to |
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> http://www.tug.org/tetex/ |
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> where, the first thing they (I mean, Thomas Esser) say is that "I |
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> suggest ... TeX Live project". |
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I was to say "ok, it was on gwn, my fault", when I read: |
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"Tetex changes |
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Tetex's upstream maintainer Thomas Esser hass announced that he won't |
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make any further tetex releases. This will have some mid- to long-term |
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effects on how tetex is maintained in Gentoo. Gentoo developer Martin |
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Ehmsen shows the possible methods for handling this – while it seems to |
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be undecided for now how to proceed there will be changes in the future. |
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Stay tuned… " |
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It basically doesn't say "you better upgrade to texlive before tetex |
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goes in the /dev/null department". It says "well, tetex maintainer steps |
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down." That's very much different -someone could have stepped in and |
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replaced Esser. It is alarming, my fault for having missed it, but not |
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nearly as much as what I'd expect. Most importantly, no link at all was |
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posted for a migration guide. |
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What I'd expect is gentoo-announce to shout loud things like "Attention, |
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please! People using tetex should consider upgrading to texlive unless |
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their very own life depends on texlive! The migration guide is there |
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[link]. Problems should be reported here,here and here." Possibly with |
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repeated announcements: one for ~arch people ("hey, this is beginning to |
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be pushed in testing,report here..."),so that also arch people can |
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prepare, and then repeat it for the arch people, when it's time. |
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I've very seldomly seen stuff like that. I am now checking my |
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gentoo-announce folder on thunderbird, and in 2 years I find only |
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something about PHP4 being masked, apart from GLSA stuff. Shouldn't |
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gentoo-announce serve the purpose of announcing stuff like texlive, |
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expat upgrade, gcc/glibc upgrades, the upcoming baselayout-2 thing (that |
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from posts here looks like a potential storm of s**t for the unwary), |
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etc.? If it's not gentoo-announce, what is the right place? |
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Following this ML helps, following GMN too (I'll read it more carefully) |
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but I'd like something "official" and granular like a mailing list about |
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that. |
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m. |
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