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From: Tom H <tomh0665@×××××.com>
To: Gentoo User <gentoo-user@l.g.o>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages?
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:55:37
Message-Id: CAOdo=SzG0GqQUKgcV22ueWPpJ=1Ya-kw6d4++_xM6jJsky-nFg@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo is supporting officially Snap packages? by "J."
1 On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:25 PM, J. <jyo.garcia@×××××.com> wrote:
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4 > They say it's not a GNOME thing only, but born in the GNOME project,
5 > Quote from their FAQ:
6 >
7 > "Is Flatpak tied to GNOME?
8 >
9 > No. While Flatpak has been developed by people with a long involvement
10 > in the GNOME community it is not tied to any desktop. In fact, it was
11 > designed with the explicit goal of allowing it to build applications
12 > using any library stack or programming language an application author
13 > might want."
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15 Marketing's-speak is marketing speak...
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17 AFAIK, the only current implementation of a GUI from which to install
18 a Flatpak is Gnome Software, with KDE apparently working on something
19 similar.
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21 So, unless you want to download a file and double-click on it, it's
22 Gnome for now and KDE soon.
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25 > The flatpak packages take less space because there's a separation
26 > between runtimes and applications, with the runtime(s) containing many
27 > of the libraries/packages required by an application, and intended to
28 > be used by many of these, and the application package only containing
29 > the remaining required libraries, or maybe only the app, so it could
30 > reduce but not eliminate the problem previously discussed of
31 > dependencies being left unmaintained and not upgraded with security
32 > fixes. IMHO Flatpak seems a better option than Snap, and certainly
33 > reducing file system and device access is a good thing about both, but
34 > with these advantages some other problems are created, so it's a trade-
35 > off.
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37 If you start relying on too many libraries in the runtimes, you end up
38 with the same "problem" as non-Flatpak, non-Snap packages.
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41 > Maybe we will see Snaps/Flatpaks of popular proprietary software that's
42 > only available for Windows and MacOS right now that has no real FOSS
43 > competitor e.g. AutoCAD and family, I often hear the excuse of these
44 > vendors not supporting Linux because of the many distributions. Getting
45 > LibreCAD to the level of AutoCAD would take a decade or more at the
46 > pace it is going, right know it reminds me of AutoCAD 2004, and it
47 > isn't even a that level.
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49 Linus has complained that the dive software that he created had
50 nightly or weekly (I forget) builds for macOS and Windows but not for
51 Linux because of the multitude of distributions. So he and those now
52 maintaining that app'll be happy.