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From: Miroslav Rovis <miro.rovis@××××××××××××××.hr>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Pale Moon Air-Gapped portage EAPI 6 Install WAS: [Logging] SSL with PM
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 04:38:00
Message-Id: 20161223043823.GA9835@g0n.xdwgrp
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Reading the (SSL) traffic with Pale Moon by Miroslav Rovis
1 It took me all of my skills ;-) . But I installed Pale Moon, using my
2 local overlay made from the official
3 https://github.com/deuiore/palemoon-overlay
4 which installed, via my Cgit bare git repo served by my (local only yet)
5 Apache, and so from my local mirror, in arcane ways (which I do not
6 understood the how completely yet, but the install is faultless), by
7 serving the git packs to emerge from the local git clone'd, and
8 cgit-on-apache-served
9 https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon
10 .
11
12 That's new technology. EAPI=6 in the ebuild of the above linked official
13 palemoon-overlay ! Nothing I've seen in my previous 7 years as Gentoo
14 user. Only slowly gone into production since less than two years ago now.
15
16 I'd like to provide detailed info here how the above happened to perform
17 so faultlessly, because I may really need to brush some details (to be
18 able to keep installing it from cgit-on-apache local mirror, I still
19 can't believe it happened ;-) ), and to ask for advice on understanding
20 some of the details, and because those details may be useful to other
21 users, in the next email.
22
23 In the next email, because I first would like to post about the goodness
24 of Pale Moon, about the why it is the browser to recommend and support,
25 and what a newbie might find still lacking its the current overlay offer
26 (it should move to Portage proper and become official in Gentoo
27 mainstream!), from what I'ver learned about Pale Moon so far.
28
29 So, this... :
30
31 On 161221-01:17+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
32 > On 161220-03:00-0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
33 > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 01:25:19PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote
34 ...
35 > > The Pale Moon project is located at...
36 > > https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon
37 > That is certainly also what the official overlay uses, the one listed in:
38 > https://overlays.gentoo.org/
39 ...
40 > Unpacking objects: 100% (8/8), done.
41 > From https://github.com/deuiore/palemoon-overlay
42 > 237160b..d0b6f90 master -> origin/master
43 > Updating 237160b..d0b6f90
44 > Fast-forward
45 > www-client/palemoon-bin/Manifest | 3 +
46 > www-client/palemoon-bin/palemoon-bin-27.0.3.ebuild | 112
47 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++
48 > www-client/palemoon/Manifest | 3 +-
49 > www-client/palemoon/palemoon-27.0.2.ebuild | 6 +-
50 > www-client/palemoon/palemoon-27.0.3.ebuild | 239
51
52 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
53
54 ...[the above] is my install, but: it happened in my Air-Gapped
55 machine, this time.
56
57 And Palemoon perfectly logs the SSL-keys, just like its elder sibling
58 Firefox does, so I won't spend any more talk on that.
59
60 But I enjoy using programs when they are (or when I feel they are, of
61 course this may be somewhat subjective) pure, that is, true FOSS, true
62 Open Source GNU-compatible style, and on top when they are morally good.
63
64 The promise, for no warranted reason, of the imposition of Pulseaudio by
65 Mozilla, in my eyes, is a huge blemish on Firefox.
66
67 Yes, I'm afraid Firefox is morally tainted as FOSS. But there have been
68 other issues, and in this Gentoo Forum topic you may read more about
69 other issues that I haven't familiarized with:
70
71 Should firefox be removed from portage?
72 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1038430-start-25.html#7880354
73 I defended Firefox there (
74 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1038430-start-25.html#7878932 ) ,
75 and while I was right in that replacing it with something google, like
76 Chrom{e,ium}, is so much worse yet, and in that there were good sides to
77 Firefox that I posted about there, and those remain moot points for me
78 still, the promise of the imposition of Pulseaudio now sways my
79 remaining feelings away from loyalty to Mozilla
80
81 Also, read here:
82
83 Why was the default search changed to DuckDuckGo?
84 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4016
85
86 where find (just to whet your reading appetite):
87 > A little insight in the $300 million+/year that Mozilla makes as an
88 > Open Source software provider (and how income has grown more than
89 > expenses...)
90 > http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/mozilla-revenue-tops-311-million-from-open-source-technology.html
91
92 (also btw, DuckDuckGo.com has been my own preferred search engine since
93 years now!)
94
95 Also read here:
96 Pale Moon, Geolocation and You
97 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3658
98
99
100 For newbie users of Palemoon: I have had a few minor issues (e.g. the
101 copying and pasting from navigation bar is not polished, clipboard
102 selection on navigation bar can get messed up on Alt-Tab'ing, which
103 issue Firefox does not have), but nothing at all large!
104
105 And the addons/extensions are a problem, because seeing a potential
106 capable adversary in its own fork, which Palemoon is for Firefox,
107 Mozilla has started deliberately messing up lots of plugins so that
108 Palemoon could not use them!
109 ( E.g. from this page:
110 http://addons.palemoon.org/incompatible/
111 I tried ti open link under Privacy Badger:
112 https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/privacy-badger-firefox/versions/?page=1#version-1.0.1
113 but Mozilla reported a missing page. )
114
115 Pale Moon devs have been hard at work to adapt/fork the
116 addons/plugins/extensions:
117
118 Why do some extensions not work in Pale Moon?
119 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8740
120
121 [Downtime] and [Announcement] Project Phoebus - The Second Generation
122 Add-ons Site v1.0
123 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=13619
124
125 , and lets give them time to do so and support
126 them!
127
128 ( But if Pale Moon were to start over-commercializing like Firefox, and
129 if they were disabling things like Firefox has started doing, I wouldn't
130 be supported them anymore. Which I hope would not happen. )
131
132 --
133 Miroslav Rovis
134 Zagreb, Croatia
135 http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr

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