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From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:27:43
In Reply to: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx by Nikos Chantziaras
1 On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@×××××.de> wrote:
2 > On 06/24/2009 03:06 AM, Mark Knecht wrote:
3 >>
4 >> [...]
5 >> Am I hosed again? Did updating portage break my machine by removing
6 >> what I was just using:
7 >> [...]
8 >>
9 >> Is xorg-server-1.1.1 completely gone and I'm hosed? I'm not finding it
10 >> on my my machine. The only variations on that theme seem to be in
11 >> /var/db/pkg. No tar files, just other programming junk.
12 >>
13 >> I absolutely HATE this about portage. Update your machine just
14 >> thinking about trying a new piece of software and then find you cannot
15 >> immediately go back. Gentoo was supposed to be about choice. Seems
16 >> it's not about my choice anymore. Bummer.
17 >
18 > I hate to say this, but if you have a machine that you don't keep up to date
19 > by doing full updates at least each month or two, then Gentoo is *not* for
20 > you because Gentoo simply lacks the notion of "stable". "Stable" refers to
21 > package versions, not system stability.  Gentoo is never "stable" in that
22 > sense like other distros that offer "stable" releases.  Something like
23 > Debian stable should be more appropriate and far more easier to keep
24 > operational for machines like that.
26 Gentoo is for me. Gentoo is the only distro I run and the only one
27 I've run for at least 6 years. Gentoo has run on THIS VERY MACHINE for
28 over 4 years and it is the ONLY distro that has EVER run on this
29 machine. Today I run eix-sync and emerge xorg-x11 and the machine
30 breaks and I cannot go back. It is not my choice that Gentoo
31 maintainers decided to drop something from portage required to make
32 this machine run and not give me a way to get it back. Portage chose
33 to erase files on MY machine - files that are required to make the
34 machine work. Gentoo package maintainers decided to obsolete my
35 machine, not me.
37 I'm sure there's some way to get things back working again but I don't
38 know what they are. I've got two identical machines but looking around
39 on the other machine it doesn't seem much happier, even though it's
40 currently functional.
42 Well, I guess you can chuckle at my problems and say tough luck.
43 Better if you can offer some guidance about what to read to go find
44 these files.
46 Again, I'd LOVE to keep the machine COMPLETELY up to date. It's not my
47 fault the folks who run portage decided to remove what this machine
48 requires to work. It's not my fault that ATI stopped supporting the
49 hardware. It's not my fault that the only driver that works with the
50 hardware only works with an old kernel. And there is probably NO
51 distro that would support this box anymore off the install CD.
53 - Mark


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[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server-1.5 update/old kernel+old fglrx Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@×××××.de>