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On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 12:56:47AM +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: |
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> On Saturday 21 January 2006 00:44, Alan E. Davis wrote: |
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> > May I ask others' experiences with e17? I just wasted my holiday |
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> > installing e17 on two of three machines. It is smaller than Kde, but |
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> > background is 20% of cpu . Buggy. Beautiful. A PITA to configure, |
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> > and menus suck. I don't think I'll be there long. I liked |
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> > enlightenment .16 except I guess I really do need icons to remind me |
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> > of what I've got on the system, and good menus. |
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> that was exactly how I felt. All the problems to get it installed, and than it |
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> was such a bad thing to configure&use, that I deinstalled it some days later. |
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> I used earlier enlightenment incarnations as my main desktop for some time, |
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> back, when KDE 2.X was dead slow, but when KDE 3 came out, enlightenment lost |
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> its appeal. |
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That's a bit unfair on e17, given that it's still pre-release |
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software. It is indeed buggy at the moment (though I should add I |
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haven't had any problems with more recent CVS installations), but |
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that's to be expected in a pre-release, and you're warned about it in |
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big red letters when you emerge it. |
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It is also a PITA to configure at the moment, but graphical menu |
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managers, keybinding editors, icon creaters, desktop icons, etc. are |
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planned before the release version, and every CVS checkout seems to |
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add more graphical configuration options at the moment, and reduce the |
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number of times I resort to the enlightenment-remote shell command. |
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Finally, on my ancient Pentium2 450, it uses 2-3% of cpu. In fact, I |
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find it more responsive than e16. So I'm not sure where the 20% comes |
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from. Maybe you've enabled lots of the processor intensive eye-candy, |
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like animated backgrounds or the snow or flames modules? Or you just |
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need to update to a more recent CVS release. |
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Without wishing to start a flame war, it's unfair to the developers to |
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give the impression that their software doesn't work very well without |
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at least mentioning it's pre-release (and therefore not expected |
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to!). And really, criticising it at all for being buggy and lacking |
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features is a little unfair. If you're not prepared to put up with |
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some rough edges, wait for the official release version. |
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Just to put in a good word for e17 to balance the discussion... |
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Personally, I prefer enlightenment to KDE or gnome because I don't |
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like the whole integrated desktop approach. I prefer my window manager |
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to manage windows, and leave me free to run whichever apps I like. My |
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ideal window manager has nothing at all on the desktop (except maybe a |
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wallpaper to gaze at when nothing's running), no gizmos taking up |
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desktop real-estate, an easy way to run my most frequently used apps |
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and some way to get at any others I might need occasionally, some way |
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to navigate between running apps, and as much as possible of this |
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should be manageable from the keyboard (with completely configurable |
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keybindings). If it does all this and looks beautiful at the same |
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time, so much the better! |
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I find that, of the traditional window managers, enlightenment comes |
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closest to this ideal (though I admit I've never tried FLuxbox or |
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IceWM - I stopped looking when I found I was happy with |
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enlightenment). Since a lot of e17 features are written as modules, I |
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can choose not to load (or often not to install) them, so only those |
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features I want take up disc space and memory (it's the gentoo |
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way!). For instance, I don't bother loading e17's "start menu". |
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(what's the point when I have ibar and keybindings to run the apps I |
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use most, and the run dialogue for the rest?). But it's there for |
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those who want it. E17 has completely configurable keybindings, even |
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if they're a pain to configure at the moment, and the |
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"enlightenment-remote" command line...err...command is fantastic for |
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getting shell scripts to interact with the window manager. |
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If you've read all that, you'll not be surprised I also like ratpoison |
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;-) But I haven't used it long enough to get used to it yet. And I've |
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not got beyond installing ion yet. |
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Window managers are very much a personal choice, and there is no |
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"right" decision, except try out a few and decide for yourself. Which |
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means it's worth at least being aware that there are plenty of other |
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choices apart from KDE and gnome, if you're not happy with them |
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(unlike a certain other OS, where there's not even a single |
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alternative ;) |
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Toby |
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