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On Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:08:37 GMT Jack wrote: |
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> Relying on the collective experience and advice of the group here. |
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> As may be obvious to many of you, the address this message is sent from |
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> "...@×××××××××××××××××.net" isn't really a fully functional address. |
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> Email sent to that address will be forwarded by the sourceforge system |
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> to a personal address I specify. When I send a message "From: " that |
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> address, however, I cannot send it through the sourceforge system, as I |
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> don't actually have an email account with them. Currently, I send it |
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> through my gmail account. That works because I added that address in |
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> my gmail Settings under "Accounts and Import" / "Send mail as:". |
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This message sending mechanism is using an email address "alias". It used to |
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be a simple exercise of setting up as many different aliases you wanted and |
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then being able to send messages with a From: field, as whoever you wanted to |
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show up being the sender of the message in your recipients Inbox. The |
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forwarded message retains in its headers the original SMTP envelope sender and |
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recipient addresses, but if you used Bcc: to direct it to a recipient the |
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message headers could be less revealing of the path used to send the message. |
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depending on the particular mail server implementation. |
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It is easy to guess spammers soon cottoned onto the fact they could send their |
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adverts for products most of us do not need and immediately used this method |
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to spam the world from "Mr. Viagra" and what have you. |
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For this reason email ISPs introduced a number of 'email address verification' |
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hoops you have to jump through, to be allowed to use a different email alias |
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through their SMTP servers. |
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> To |
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> set it up, gmail sends a message to that address, and I click on a link |
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> in the message to prove it does come to me. That's been working find |
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> for a long time, but, ... |
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This is an alias address verification method. You have to show you have |
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control of that domain/email address, rather than being a spammer exploiting |
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this method. |
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Despite all this spammers are still getting through. So, alternative |
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technologies have been invented (SPF, DKIM, DMARC)[1] to make sure the sender |
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is legitimate, identifiable and is only allowed to use their own domains. |
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[1] https://dmarc.org/ |
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> I'm trying to move away from gmail. Especially for mailing lists like |
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> this one, if I send a message to the list, I never see that I get the |
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> message from the list, because gmail refuses to show it in my inbox |
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> because it's a duplicate of a message already in my sentbox. |
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I think you can use Filters and Labels[2] in Gmail to tag and then move |
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whatever you receive/send into a folder you define. |
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[2] https://support.google.com/mail/answer/118708 |
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> I do have an email account with privateemail.com (thorough |
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> namecheap.com) but they are unable or unwilling to have a similar |
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> setup. I'm not even sure they actually understand what I'm asking of |
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> them, but I've wasted more than enough time trying. |
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You could try using the terms "email alias address" and "Send As" with them to |
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see if this allows your conversation to progress further. |
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Many ISPs are a marketing shop buying the email service backend from one of |
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the big email suppliers, e.g. Google, AWS, etc. Such marketing shops without |
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commensurate technical capabilities are only a step away from having spammers |
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associated with their service and therefore keep features down to a minimum to |
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avoid being blacklisted due to potential misconfigurations. |
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> So - I'm asking if anyone can recommend an email service provider that |
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> understands this and will let me set it up. I have my own domain, but |
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> namecheap.com does seem willing to have the appropriate DNS record |
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> point to a different email provider. At this point, I'm not interested |
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> in running my own email server. I currently only need two mailboxes, |
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> maybe a small number more in the future, but this is personal, not |
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> commercial. I don't need to do bulk emails, maybe up to a dozen or so |
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> recipients. I do NOT expect it to be free, but cost is at least some |
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> consideration. I don't need huge storage limits, as although I use |
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> IMAP access when on the road, when I'm home, I use POP3 to download |
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> everything. I'd also like at least minimal control over spam |
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> filtering, mainly to let almost anything through for me to filter |
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> locally. If privateemail.com has false positives for everything from |
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> some sender (such as ups.com, for example) I need to open a ticket with |
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> them to add a whitelist. No such thing as clicking on "Not spam" and |
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> apparently no intent to ever do so. |
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> Thanks for any suggestions. |
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> Jack |
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I can't make any recommendations for email ISPs. There are a huge number of |
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them marketing their services, some offering only email services, others |
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include website hosting and data storage for the same price. |
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I also use Google for mailing lists et al. I have been thinking of moving |
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away from this capitalist surveillance service, whereby the email service is |
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free, but your data privacy is sold to the highest bidder, while Google keeps |
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all the margin. Although the concepts of privacy plus Internet are somewhat |
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orthogonal. I'll eventually get around to it, so please post what you come up |
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with in case it suits me too. |
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Regards, |
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Mick |