Re: [gentoo-user] alternative kernels

[J. Roeleveld]

On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld <joost@××××××××.org> wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds
> >> >> ;)
> >> >
> >> > And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about
> >> > the
> >> > boot-time of systemd?
> >> > (See the " [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd" thread around 18 - 21
> >> > september)
> >> >
> >> > Please make up your mind on this.
> >>
> >> This might come as a bit of a shock, but people use Gentoo for
> >> different reasons, run different init systems, different udev
> >> implementations, and so on.  Well, believe it or not, systemd users
> >> are exactly the same way and use different components of systemd for
> >> different reasons.  People also drive different types of cars, for
> >> different reasons.
> >
> > I agree on this. But in the thread I mentioned, Mark David Dumlao was
> > quite
> > aggressive in his wording when the subject was brought up and he claimed
> > systemd proponents don't care. Canek is the biggest proponent for systemd
> > on this list.
>
> You should have answered then to Mark, not to me, given that I did not
> said anything in that sub-thread.

My apologies.

> But if it makes you happy, I will try to take notes in the next Big
> SystemD Evil Conspiracy Meeting so in the future I do not contradict
> any statement from anyone in the Pure Evil Directorate.

I knew it! There really is one! :)

Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd.
If people want to use it, fine.
But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a 
problem with it.

Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2 does.
Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working propery anymore 
and Grub2 does its job. I just don't see the point in all the multimedia stuff 
that was put into a bootloader.

I just had a look at the use-flags for systemd, similarly to myself wondering 
about multimedia support in grub2, I wonder why there is an HTTP-server 
embedded in journald. I somehow doubt it has any real security on it and I 
have seen programs write usernames and passwords to stdout/syslog when running 
with the default log-levels.

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Joost