Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Dynamic IP address services.

[J. Roeleveld]

On Wednesday, November 09, 2016 01:10:27 AM Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 08/11/2016 23:20, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On November 8, 2016 9:52:51 PM GMT+01:00, Alan McKinnon
<alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
> >> On 08/11/2016 22:00, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> >>> On 2016-11-08 13:12, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >>>> Why are you even trying to do this yourself?
> >>>
> >>> Because mail is by far the best digital communication channel I know
> >>
> >> for
> >>
> >>> me (with my preference for text and logic over image and fuzzy
> >>
> >> feeling),
> >>
> >>> and so I want to do it as close to perfect as I can.
> >>
> >> Why do you think you can do mail mail than your ISP can do mail?
>
> You know, dealing with 10,000,000 inbound mails a day usually means
> something suffers. And if you're using the free ISP service, you go in

That's the thing, I actually pay my ISP. The only semi-decent service they 
provide is a fast (enough) connection. ADSL offerings are slower then cable 
where I live. And fibre isn't available (yet?)

> the big bucket of spam rules:
> > When said ISP starts blocking legitimate email from people I correspond
> > with on a regular basis who use gmail and hotmail, they become as
> > reliable as old fashioned mail services have become.
> I can't really comment. Are these people considered spammers by track
> record by your ISP?

Family, friends, parents of kids in my childs class....
I doubt they try to off-load millions of dodgy money to me via email. :)

> > And the blocking is done silently and can't be disabled.
>
> Yes that is quite usual. The rules are global (or at least wide in
> scope) and the admins put them in for a reason. Perhaps they will tell
> you what the reason is

They actually can't, I raised this question several times. The worst part is, 
it looks like some of their inbound mail-servers silently block it, while 
others don't. As occasionally an email would get through.

> > That already made me start looking for alternatives.
> >
> > When they then refused to relay emails using my own domain even though I
> > am inside their network and am not sending large amounts of email. I
> > ended up using those alternatives.
> Correct again. When ISPs let their customers send their own mail out
> from their regular customer ranges, and that mail is
> spammy/malwarey/dodgy/goes on RBL's, then the entire ISP block gets a
> bad rep and everyone suffers

I have my own domain for my emails, to not have to send out change-of-address 
notifications whenever I decide to change ISP. Which can be the result when 
moving house.
I have no problem using the ISPs SMTP-server as a relay (which used to work). 
But now I need to log in and then it will change the FROM-address to whatever 
is linked to that account. Which obviously causes problems as we use a set of 
different email addresses for each family member along with a few addresses we 
actually share.

> > I would prefer to use my ISP to handle the mail deliveries, but when they
> > are this incompetent....
> Or maybe you were using their free mail service.
>
> Most ISPs offer managed mail (at a price).

My ISP, unfortunately, doesn't.

> It's the old story after all: cheap, good, fast. Pick any two.

In NL, that would be linked to a business account.
For that, I need to actually have a business, registered as such with the 
local version of the IRS.
Then I end up paying more than I am doing now, for a significantly slower 
internet connection.

--
Joost