Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

[thegeezer]

On 03/22/2014 01:00 PM, thegeezer wrote:
> On 03/20/2014 06:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 +0000
>> thegeezer <thegeezer@×××××××××.net> wrote:
>>
>>> the difficulty is that without knowing
>> It is as easy as following the commits upstream makes, which is a
>> short daily visit (or for less important followers, even weekly);
>> that's really not too much asked for if you forked logind.
>>
>> It is even quite common practice and scriptable:
>>
>>     git fetch ... ; git log ... ; git diff ...
>>
>> In a similar way, I know Portage will get highlighting and a ^ indicator;
>> without that being announced until release, here's a copy paste (note
>> that what is above ^ would be colored in red, unwrapped to unbreak it):
>>
>> dev-lang/perl:0
>>
>>   (dev-lang/perl-5.18.2:0/5.18::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
>>     =dev-lang/perl-5.18* required by (virtual/perl-IO-1.280.0:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>>     ^              ^^^^^
>>
>>   (dev-lang/perl-5.16.3:0/5.16::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>>     dev-lang/perl:0/5.16=[-build(-)] required by (dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-1.967.0:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>>                  ^^^^^^^^
>>     =dev-lang/perl-5.16* required by (virtual/perl-libnet-1.230.0:0/0::gentoo, installed)
>>     ^              ^^^^^
>>     (and 19 more with the same problems)
>>
>> And of course, that's not the only change happening; dependency
>> resolution will become faster, some slot operator bug fixes happened
>> but caused regressions in released versions and thus more of such fixes
>> will be done, some "no parents" messages during slot conflict output
>> were nuked, ...
>>
>> If I can type that as part of this mail, people could follow logind.
>>
> On 03/20/2014 06:42 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:19:43 +0000
>> thegeezer <thegeezer@×××××××××.net> wrote:
>>
>>> the difficulty is that without knowing
>> It is as easy as following the commits upstream makes, which is a
>> short daily visit (or for less important followers, even weekly);
>> that's really not too much asked for if you forked logind.
>>
>> It is even quite common practice and scriptable:
>>
>>     git fetch ... ; git log ... ; git diff ...
>>
> there's a slight misunderstanding here.
> in a previous link on this list there was gnome developer that basically
> said something like "we can't document everything that gnome uses in
> systemd/logind because the developers are ahead of us, so in case of
> difference the source code is correct".
> gnome is big.  really big.
> so you'd have to diff logind to check for new features and then diff
> gnome to find how gnome is using those features.
>
> so my point over 5 weeks ago was not about the difficulty in _finding_
> the changes, but about keeping track of those changes and implementing htem.
> if you read the rest of the thread you will see that in a whole i was
> arguing that it is disingenuous to suggest that gnome does not require
> logind.
>
> if you don't see that perhaps you could volunteer to add logind api
> features to openRC ?
>
> btw, why did you reply to me cc the list instead of replying to list ?
> i'm on the list already and so because of that my reply-to-list is broken.
> it's easy enough to copy and paste the email address but please don't do
> that again.
>
>
sorry for the double length and content email. an accident with the copy
and paste.