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From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@×××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [extremly, wildly, obscenely OT] Is there a Linux system without GNU userlands?
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:21:06
Message-Id: 489F85EC.809@telenix.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] [extremly, wildly, obscenely OT] Is there a Linux system without GNU userlands? by "b.n."
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4 b.n. wrote:
5 > Chuck Robey ha scritto:
6 >> You might possibly be missing one of the most basic (in organization)
7 >> differences between any BSD and any Linux is that BSD's are all built and
8 >> packaged with a set of userland programs. This doesn't include many user
9 >> applications, just the kind of things that you think of as being part
10 >> of any
11 >> base (like shells, or utilities like the various filesystem tools,
12 >> grep, find,
13 >> like that) Linux, OTOH, is only a kernel. Any time you go after a
14 >> distribution
15 >> that has more than the kernel (and ONLY the kernel) its because the group
16 >> putting together that distribution has decided to attach those parts,
17 >> but the
18 >> Linux developers are concerned with the kernel alone.
19 >
20 > Ehm, thanks for the lesson, but I am actually well aware of that. I
21 > installed and used a lot of Linux distros and, to a lesser extent, BSD
22 > and other exotic systems (Hurd anyone?).
23 >
24 > Instead, maybe you might possibly be missing the fact that kernel-BSD
25 > systems with GNU userlands have been attempted (Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
26 > being one - dunno about the Gentoo/FreeBSD port -is it still alive, by
27 > the way?). I wondered if there is the contrary, as a startpoint.
28 >
29 >> So, when you talk about, say, FreeBSD, you're talking about kernel +
30 >> userland
31 >> base. This isn't truie with Linux, so all linuxes are just a little bit
32 >> different in their choice of userland tools.
33 >
34 > That's why I asked if there is some Linux that is not "a little bit" but
35 > *wildly* different, as to be almost unrecognizable as the Linux we're
36 > all familiar with (that usually is done by a bash/zsh/ksh shell + other
37 > gnu coreutils etc.)
38 >
39 > For a (theoretical) example, imagine a system that boots in the Windows
40 > Powershell on top of the Linux kernel.
41 >
42 > m.
43 >
44
45 Sorry. Not to be insulting, but it really sounded like a newbie question, which
46 is why I reacted that way. On your own rereading, doesn't it sound a bit that
47 way to you, a bit?
48
49 I apologize, then.
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