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From: Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 21:38:06
Message-Id: 5428cae1-1e37-4a3b-ffe9-040b3c4a8c22@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from 5.14 to 6.0 version by Mark Knecht
1 Mark Knecht wrote:
2 >
3 >
4 > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:13 PM Wol <antlists@××××××××××××.uk
5 > <mailto:antlists@××××××××××××.uk>> wrote:
6 > >
7 > > On 12/11/2022 18:22, Dale wrote:
8 > > > Where does one go for a list of the LTS kernels?  Since I reboot so
9 > > > rarely, what not use one of them??  Of course, the kernel I have
10 > in use
11 > > > now has long uptimes so it is sort of LTS for this rig anyway.
12 > >
13 > > Do you REALLY want an LTS kernel? Sounds like you don't. You need to
14 > > update them just as much as any other kernel.
15 > >
16 > > The point of an LTS kernel is it supposed to NOT receive feature
17 > > updates, just bug fixes. Given that Artificial Stupidity bots regularly
18 > > try to apply updates to stable kernels, is it worth restricting yourself
19 > >   to old kernels? Especially when it's not unknown for a bot to try to
20 > > backport a patch from kernel X+2, when it depends on a patch from X+1
21 > > that hasn't been backported, and anybody using that code finds their
22 > > "stable" kernel blowing up in their face.
23 > >
24 > > The idea behind stable kernels is great. The implementation leaves a lot
25 > > to be desired and, as always, the reason is not enough manpower.
26 > >
27 > > Cheers,
28 > > Wol
29 >
30 > Wol,
31 >    While I don't completely disagree with your technical points I
32 > really don't think your assessment of the purpose of a LTS kernel
33 > is wide ranging enough. 
34 >
35 >    I do agree that from what I know of Dale's usage he probably 
36 > doesn't NEED a long term support kernel, but he may be better 
37 > off with one.
38 >
39 >    If you are user of apps you pay for - in my case Mixbus - an paid
40 > version of Ardour - and PixInsight then you are not going to get 
41 > much support if you're off in the weeds running Gentoo and/or
42 > leading edge kernels. I run Kubuntu now, but not because I think
43 > it's a better distro, but because I get support. Harrison does all
44 > the dirty work on the audio stack and Pleiades Astro basically
45 > says you're on your own running unless you are on just a couple of
46 > distros. They were no help when I ran Gentoo. They are great 
47 > under Kubuntu.
48 >
49 >    An additional point is that if Dale limits himself to an LTS 
50 > kernel then he doesn't have to worry about changes to his
51 > tool chain. I'm just waiting for the day that Rust becomes
52 > a driving conversation point on this list. I don't think Dale 
53 > wants or needs to be involved in that.
54 >
55 >    Anyway, just my point of view.
56 >
57 > Best wishes,
58 > Mark
59
60
61 Usually, I try to update about once a year.  I don't change hardware
62 much.  I do plan to get a PCI SATA card with more ports later on but
63 still, I don't change hardware a whole lot.  Maybe a LTS isn't for me. 
64 I was just curious if I would benefit from using one since I don't
65 upgrade much and the kernels I run, run for months without problems.  So
66 to me, they are rock stable.  This is from uprecords, just the first
67 seven entries. 
68
69 1   303 days, 11:46:23 | Linux 4.5.2-gentoo        Sat Jul 29 23:20:27 2017
70 2   227 days, 22:10:30 | Linux 5.6.7-gentoo        Wed Oct 28 13:59:36 2020
71 3   200 days, 06:51:46 | Linux 4.18.12-gentoo      Sat Jan 12 03:42:55 2019
72 4   193 days, 09:28:37 | Linux 3.5.3-gentoo        Sat Sep 22 07:50:38 2012
73 5   184 days, 15:47:57 | Linux 3.18.7-gentoo       Tue Dec 15 21:53:59 2015
74 6   166 days, 20:47:12 | Linux 5.6.7-gentoo        Thu May 14 00:47:09 2020
75 7   147 days, 10:32:02 | Linux 5.14.15-gentoo      Sun Feb 13 01:09:41 2022
76
77 My current kernel is on the bottom.  With hard drive changes, I been
78 rebooting more often than usual.  Still, 147 days is pretty stable.  :-D
79
80 It was just a thought.  Maybe not even a good one.  ;-)
81
82 Dale
83
84 :-)  :-) 

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