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On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 01:19:34PM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote |
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> That might be the systemd upstream view point, but definately isn't mine. |
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Your view and mine don't matter. Upstream's view matters. That's how |
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we end up with fiascos like GNOME and Microsoft's Metro interface. |
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> Fact is that udev can be built and ran standalone without systemd and |
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> you don't need eudev for that. |
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Kay Sievers, *THE LEAD DEVELOPER* specifically says in |
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http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-July/006065.html |
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> We promised to keep udev properly *running* as standalone, we never |
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> told that it can be *build* standalone. And that still stands |
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I.e. no promise of being able to build standalone. |
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> If udev upstream makes it impossible to build, or run it standalone |
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> then we need to patch or fork it -- but that's far from now. |
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[...deletia...] |
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> I mean, why the heck fork something too early when upstream still |
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> supports udev on non-systemd init systems?! |
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Let's say that that it happens 2 years from now, after udev has been |
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getting ever more tightly integrated into systemd. At that point, it'll |
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be way too late. The udev source will have all sorts of hooks into |
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systemd, at least at build-time. Creating a stand-alone build in a few |
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weeks would be painful. Another option is to dig up 2-year-old source |
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code for the last stand-alone version of udev and update it in a rush. |
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The old version would depend on libs no-longer in the tree, and other |
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apps would depend on a newer udev. You yourself, pointed out in |
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http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@l.g.o/msg139485.html |
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> By udev maintainers forcing them to upgrade to the new keymap hwdb |
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> which required version to be raised to up-to-par with udev-206. |
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Imagine 2 years of such updates to catch up with in a few weeks. It's |
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too late to start building the fire-escapes when the fire-alarm goes |
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off. Similarly, if we want a viable alternative udev, that means having |
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it (eudev) maintained and up-to-date and ready at all times. I'm sorry |
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that it has come to this, but the current udev maintainers have made it |
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clear which way they want to go, and it's not the way that I and a lot |
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of other people want to go. Don't blame us for getting out while the |
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getting out is still good. |
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Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org> |
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications |
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