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On 22/08/2013 13:47, Mark David Dumlao wrote: |
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> On Aug 22, 2013 1:28 PM, "J. Roeleveld" <joost@××××××××.org |
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> <mailto:joost@××××××××.org>> wrote: |
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>> Correct, and here lies the cause for the "out of sync" scenario. |
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>> > So the only "out of sync" scenario that should matter is with the |
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>> > kernel or kernel modules. Even if it were out of sync with your |
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>> > current toolset it should still be able |
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>> > to perform the pivot. Shouldn't any "userland stuff" that |
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>> > breaks initramfs BE in initramfs? |
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>> Incorrect, there are userland tools, like LVM and MDADM (layout 1.2 does |
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>> NOT support auto-assembly by kernel), that are needed to access of the |
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>> filesystems. |
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>> It is possible that an older version of one of these tools, after an |
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>> update, can no longer access the disks succesfully. When portage updates |
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>> this package, the initramfs is not automatically updated with the new |
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>> version. |
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> Ok. I don't use raid / lvm on my desktop so I missed the obvious case of |
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> a user tool that needs to be in initramfs. |
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> But it makes sense. Any tool that affects filesystem mounting at the |
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> very least of /usr, even if its cifs or nfs or whatev, should be |
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> included in initramfs. This is gentoo, not ubuntu. Blind updates are |
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> known to be irresponsible behavior. Is this a big deal? |
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No it's not a big deal. |
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If you omit support in the kernel for your mb chipset, the machine does |
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not boot. |
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If you forget to recompile nvidia drivers when updating the kernel, the |
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screen does not work. |
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If you delete the modules for ext* from /lib/modules, the kernel cannot |
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read the file system. |
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All these things need to be fixed manually, need to be remembered |
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manually, are not detectable in any sane fashion and Gentoo users are |
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expected to know what to do and how to fix it. All this talk of user |
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tools in initramfs that might not work one time in three years is |
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exactly the same IMNSHO. |
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The conventional notification method is via an elog message from ebuilds |
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that the maintainer knows will change metadata formats |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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