Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LINGUAS, L10N, and local-gen

[Dale]

»Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 12:20:25 -0500
> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>
>> »Q« wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 11:18:00 -0500
>>> Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I started out on this thread helping the OP get his set up
>>>> correctly.  Why make someone else use trial and error like I did
>>>> when all I had to do was post
>>> Refraining from posting would *not* have forced the OP to use trial
>>> and error, as there are plenty of people here on the list who *do*
>>> understand the news item.
>> True but I've seen posts where no one responds with a fix as well.  I
>> do try to help people whenever I can just like I would hope a person
>> would do and has done for me.
> In this case, you posted within an hour of the OP, not waiting to see
> whether anyone who understood things would show up.  Would you consider
> waiting some reasonable time before making an "I don't understand
> either, but I'm here to help" post?

Since you seem to be in charge of this decision somehow.  Just how long
should I wait?  A couple hours?  A day?  A week?  A month?  What if no
one tries to help at all?  What if I have a perfectly good fix and the
OP is in a hurry and doesn't want to wait a few more hours or days when
a good solution is already available? 

>>>> what worked here and see if that worked for them too?
>>> Your initial post to the thread did not include what works for you
>>> and did nothing to help the OP;  you posted what actually works for
>>> you only after the OP had already thanked Alan, who had understood
>>> the issue and helped him (and you, AFAICT) get things straight.
>>>
>>> None of this is a very big deal, and I hope I didn't come across as
>>> too harsh.  It's just that in almost all cases, it's more helpful
>>> to wait until someone who does understand posts than to jump in to
>>> help with something one doesn't understand.
>> Actually, I posted the first reply to this thread.
> Actually, you just quoted me discussing that very post of yours.

In my first reply, I only quoted what the OP posted in the post that
started this whole thread.  I took my quote for the VERY FIRST reply on
this thread.  I added what worked for me and even explained what I did
to get there. 

>
>> The OP posted at about 9:06AM.  I replied at about 9:54AM.  Alan
>> posted his first reply at 10:31AM.  My first reply included this:
>>
>>> After it was all done, this is what I ended up with:
>>>
>>> LINGUAS="en_US en"
>>>
>>> I left the LANG setting as is for the moment.
>> So, you either missed my first reply or didn't understand what I
>> included in it.  Which would be ironic wouldn't it?
> I did read your first reply and I do understand what you included in
> it.  You left out the only part that was important to the issue at hand,
> your L10N variable.  (I assumed that you hadn't added L10N until
> later, after you read Alan's helpful post, but ICBW about that.)

Just a FYI.  What Alan posted didn't help me here either when I added
it.  It may later on but it didn't when I tested it.  I suspect some
things are in flux at the moment. 


>
>> Here's the deal.  If someone posts and I have something that works,
>> I'm going to post it.  If it helps, fine.  If it doesn't then others
>> can post what works for them or explain what is what on it.  After
>> all, we are ALL here to try and help each other.  What one person
>> does may or may not work for another.  Still, we share just the
>> same.
> I was only trying to help you contribute less noise to the list.  It
> appears that both of us have failed to do any good in this thread,
> despite our good intentions.  Since I'm the one advocating against
> noise, I'll quit now.
>
>

Well, maybe this will help.  Does this meet your approval?  From now on
before I post anything on this list, I'll send it to you off list for
your approval which means that you guarantee that it is a post that will
fix whatever the OP of the thread has trouble with 100%.  Basically,
since you seem to have made yourself the decider on what a person should
post and what may be helpful, then you get to do it.  That sound OK? 
Oh, in the meantime, the person needing help can sit and wait while you
approve the reply if no one else can help or is available to help. 

In all honesty, I've been on this list for likely over a decade.  I try
to help people no matter what.  Case in point, the other Alan guy that
comes here and posts about his problems when it is his process that is
broken.  While most everyone else has given up on him, I still try to
help him.  However, if what I contribute here is not welcome, then I can
stop posting.  Then at least one person would be happy I guess.  It's
not like I don't have other things to do or anything either.  I just may
consider that option. 

Dale

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