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* Dale <dalek1967@×××××××××.net> wrote: |
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> I have been using Gentoo for about 4 or 5 years now. I to think Gentoo |
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> has well, lost its way. It seems like a bunch of teenagers is running |
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> it sometimes. They decide something then go back a few steps when they |
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> don't like the results. |
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ACK. I also have this bad feeling :( |
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Even w/o looking deeper into the system, just as an "normal user's" |
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view, it became worse in recent years. Lots of conflicts, breaks, |
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feature deps/conflicts, etc. The amount of necessary hand-work |
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and the need to overlay really increased at my site in recent years. |
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Part of the problmem might be too many quick+dirty hacks, another |
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part's the philosophy of taking evrything as it comes from the |
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upstream. It's not trivial to get out of this ;-o |
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One little step out could be the OSS-QM project (http://oss-qm.metux.de/) |
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It collects fixes for a lot packages and makes them accessible in 100% |
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automated ways. So in a way it can be seen as an kind of overlay against |
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the upstream. Most of the patches are things that upstream's tend to forget |
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but importand for fully automated builds (eg. proper relocation, clean |
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feature switching, fixing buildfiles, pkg-config, etc) - they do NOT harm |
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the core functionality. So exactly what the vast majority of distro's |
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patches do, but in generic (distro agnostic) ways. |
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In recent years, I've announced this several times, but nobody really |
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interested in it. Maybe now the right time had come ? ;-o |
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> Users seems to be the last thing on the higher ups mind. |
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Yes, I also had such feelings when I was around @ -dev: |
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It seemed I was disliked, since I was questioning some common dev |
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practices and no being an official dev by myself, and I never would |
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be allowed to become one, since I was disliked ;-O |
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(So I left -dev and focused on my own overlay - not caring about |
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the devs anymore). |
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> I love my Gentoo but I would like to see someone step up and get some |
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> things done and some decisions made, even those we may never know about. |
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Actually, I don't think it's just some "strong leader" missing, but |
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an lack of discusion culture between devs and "plain users". |
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I'd see the role of Gentoo leaders more in an diplomatic mission than |
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actual decision making. |
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cu |
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Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ |
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Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: |
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http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce |
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Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: |
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http://patches.metux.de/ |
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