Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

[Trenton Adams]

Oops, forgot to reply to everything.

On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick <motub@××××××.nl> wrote:
> Trenton Adams schreef:
> > On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>something like
> >>>>
> >>>>if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> >>>>        ewarn "You must unmerge openmotif before proceeding"
> >>>
> >>>Yes, or as follows...
> >>>
> >>>if_blocked_by('openmotif')
> >>>  auto_unmerge('openmotif')
> >>>  # continue with merge which should automatically be merging openmotif
> >>>anyhow.
> >>
> >>Absolutely not! I don't want portage removing something I may be using at
> >>the time without my saying so.
> >
> >
> > Good point.  Perhaps it should ask then?
> >
> >
>
> Well, it does, by stopping and waiting for you to perform an action and
> either restart the stopped process (if the action you took was to
> unmerge the blocking package), or to forego the stopped process
> entirely,  if you choose not to remove the blocked package because you
> want to keep it for whatever reason (it could happen).
>
> You're assuming that unmerging the blocking package is *always* the
> right solution for everyone at all times (in this case, it's not really
> relevant, since motif-config will itself re-install openmotif), but the
> point of Gentoo is that you are in control. If I am in control, then I
> have to decide what I want done in each particular situation that
> occurs, which is exactly what I have to do with the current setup-- very
> obviously, since Portage will stop until I make a decision and act on
> it. So fine, your new updated Portage informs me there's a block, and
> says, "I could do this to solve it, shall I?" I myself am going to say
> "no", because I want to know the nature of the block, and how Portage's
> proposed action is going to affect the system that I have carefully
> customized to my individual needs.

Yes, flexibility is GREAT.  That's one reason I really like gentoo,
and linux in general.  However, I also like simplicity, or should I
say, I like to have the choice.  So, one could easily make gentoo have
auto-detect and handle features, while allowing configuration changes
that disable automatic behaviour.  You could have individual
enable/disable options for each feature, as well as one global feature
than enables/disables all auto-detect features.  Then you could have
include/excludes for each feature so that the global would not
override them.

So, the bottom line is this, one person says that things are difficult
because they need to be, in order to be flexible.  But I say that if
things are truly flexible, then it should also be possible to make
them automatic, or simple.  That's what I call ULTIMATE flexiblity,
which is what I mentioned in another post that I made.  When I
originally started with gentoo linux, I read the part about why gentoo
linux came about.  Basically it was all about doing things the way you
want.  Well, I like the flexiblity, but I also want the simplicity. :)
 Let us have the simplicity of RedHat, and RPMs (waiting for flames),
but with flexibility as well.

I understand that gentoo is a work in progress, and will probably
remain that way forever (I HOPE).  So, any ideas should at least be
analyzed, and thought out, and not just discarded.

>
> So I'm right in the same position as I was anyway; the emerge is stopped
> (because I said, no don't go on with whatever you plan), and I'm off
> reading ChangeLogs and the like to see what's going on in the
> environment I'm suddenly dealing with. I suppose that it's all very nice
> to have some extra dialog as if Portage was communicating with me more
> "humanely", but it's just cosmetic, in actual fact.
>
> Of course, that may be because I take time to read some of the
> comprehensive documentation that so many have taken the time to write,
> so I know what a Blocked Package is, so it doesn't freak me out when I
> come across one. So sue me and call me names... oh wait, you had your
> rant already. We'll mark that item "Done", then.
>
> Ultimately, I'm sure such an extra dialog would be a nice thing, but I
> don't so much see it as something to get all riled up about. Maybe it's
> just me.
>
> Holly
>
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