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From: Derek Tracy <tracyde@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:31:01
1 This is a lot longer than I originally intended it to be so if you want the
2 jist of it skip to the end.
4 (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but
5 more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my
6 opinions/concerns.)
8 I have been an avid Gentoo User for 2 and 1/2 years now. I have installed
9 Gentoo on many different platforms including HPPA and Sparc, not too mention
10 the countless x86 installs. I have never had a problem, every install has
11 went smooth. I have done both Stage3 and Stage1 installs (I have always
12 preferred a Stage1 install).
14 Recently, I decided that it was time to reinstall due to the numerous
15 packages that I had installed and different DE's / WM configurations, and I
16 must admit that I have recently been diving into LVM2 and encryption (I
17 figured that starting from scratch would be my best bet). In the past I have
18 always leaned toward ~x86 (I love bleeding edge). But since this was going
19 to be a new install I decided to do the preferred method and set all ~x86
20 flags via /etc/portage/package.keywords for specific packages.
22 Now since we have the background we will get to the questions at hand.
23 During this install I have run into nothing but problems. I boot from the
24 livecd just fine (if I append nopcmcia and dolvm2) and everything goes
25 smooth. NOTE: I am performing this install step by step from the online
26 handbook with a slight modification I am using LVM2 for /usr /usr/portage
27 /opt /var /tmp /home (I figured I would take advantage of some setuid
28 security procedures). Part way through the online handbook I noticed that
29 they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers
30 thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot. So
31 I installed everything according to the handbook and all went well until I
32 restarted.
34 After restarting I noticed that ipw2200 did not load properly was posted in
35 my boot mesg WTF. I distinctly remembered during the install that I waited
36 until after I installed the kernel, then I went ahead and installed the
37 external modules. (NOTE: I did not use the built in kernel modules for
38 ipw2200 or ieee80211 I had read too many horror stories about incompatible
39 versions of ipw2200-firmware and I have always had good luck with the
40 external drivers) One other thing, instead of going for pure on the edge
41 goodness of using a Nitro-esque kernel (one optimized for speed over
42 stability) I decided to use Gentoo-sources again trusting the developers
43 judgement. After searching through tons of articles regarding ipw2200
44 drivers not working with the latest "Stable" Gentoo-Sources I decided to go
45 with the kernel drivers and give them a shot. I recompiled rebooted and low
46 and behold the drivers still weren't working. After trying all sorts of
47 different combinations Unstable versions of this stable versions of that.
48 Nothing worked, so I proceeded to reboot back into the livecd and re-chroot
49 into my system so I could get a network connection and install the Madwifi
50 Drivers, for a pcmcia card that I have laying around. Also note that the
51 Madwifi drivers are considered Unstable. I rebooted the computer and the
52 drivers actually worked (Yea Unstable). So I got the network connection up,
53 then I decided to go ahead and install X (I thought that it would be easier
54 to troubleshoot the ipw drivers from a graphical environment copy, paste,
55 multiple xterms.). Well I compiled and installed Xorg and compiled and
56 installed nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx, and what do you think happened (btw I
57 copied over a backed up xorg.conf from the last installation so I know that
58 that conf file works and is correct) I went to startx...........It kicked
59 back saying screens were found but no usable configs......So down
60 troubleshooting lane I went. I recompiled, verified I did not have agpgart /
61 dri enabled in kernel, then with both in kernel, stable and unstable
62 versions of nvidia-kernel / nvidia-glx, everything a no go.. I finally
63 settled with using Xorg's nv driver. Now here I am with a really nice laptop
64 (Sony S-460) but with no video hardware acceleration, the inablility to use
65 the built in wireless card (NOTE: before the reinstall everything was
66 working).
68 So now I am waiting for the whole system to recompile using ~x86 (the so
69 called "Unstable" packages) and I will see if that works or not.
71 I am seriously reconsidering finding another OS to use, this whole headache
72 has been totally ridiculous. I could see this if I would have emerged all of
73 the unstable packages to begin with or even perform a Stage1 install after
74 the developers decided to make the Stage3 the default. But I didn't I did
75 everything according to the documentation (and I triple checked that I did
76 not skip anything).
78 So with all of this said if the developers do not start testing everything a
79 little more thoroughly then I predict there will be a serious drop in the
80 number of Gentoo Followers out there. Especially if a Gentoo Veteren has
81 this hard of a time installing the operating system that I love.
83 When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should
84 work, yes there will always be configuration glitches but the problems I
85 have had during this install were not from configuration glitches. They are
86 what looks like incompatible packages and numerous other things. If Gentoo
87 is going to continue to grow then we as a community need to speak up about
88 things like this.
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92 Derek Tracy
93 tracyde@×××××.com
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? Mark Knecht <markknecht@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? Daniel da Veiga <danieldaveiga@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? Nick Rout <nick@×××××××.nz>
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? Richard Fish <bigfish@××××××××××.org>
Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path? Bill Roberts <billbalt@×××××××××××××.com>