Gentoo Archives: gentoo-user

From: Daniel Iliev <daniel.iliev@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list and PGP/MIME
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:49:13
Message-Id: 20080530034904.62d871d6@ilievnet.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Mailing list and PGP/MIME by Robert Bridge
1 On Fri, 30 May 2008 00:11:51 +0100
2 Robert Bridge <robert@××××××××.com> wrote:
3
4 > On Fri, 30 May 2008 02:05:42 +0300
5 > Daniel Iliev <daniel.iliev@×××××.com> wrote:
6 >
7 > > On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC)
8 > > daniel.iliev@×××××.com wrote:
9 > >
10 > > > W. Canis wrote:
11 > > > > OK, I can't bring myself a "proof of concept".
12 > > >
13 > > > Allow me to help you with that part.
14 > > >
15 > > > Personally I still think signatures in public mailing lists are
16 > > > overrated.
17 > > >
18 > > > NOT signed by
19 > > > Some Gentoo user with a security job and 5 minutes of time
20 > > >
21 > > > P.S. Daniel - I really hope this is ok with you. I took your dare
22 > > > literally for this one time. Your personality won't be abused by
23 > > > me again.
24 > >
25 > >
26 > > No problem,..ehh..PSZ, I presume? :)
27 > >
28 > > It was I who gave the idea and the challenge. Don't worry, it's
29 > > really fine by me.
30 > >
31 > > I admit I looks very much as if the message was sent by me and could
32 > > be deceiving at first glance, but:
33 > >
34 > >
35 > > FAKE:
36 > > ===
37 > > Received: from observed.de (observed.de [81.169.134.89])
38 > > by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE151E05BC
39 > > for <gentoo-user@l.g.o>; Thu, 29 May 2008
40 > > 08:38:27 +0000 (UTC)
41 > > ===
42 > >
43 > >
44 > > NOT FAKE:
45 > > ===
46 > > Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com
47 > > [72.14.220.153])
48 > > by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5ACE0229
49 > > for <gentoo-user@l.g.o>; Mon, 26 May 2008 00:30:07
50 > > +0000 (UTC)
51 > > ===
52 >
53 > Except that even that can be faked.
54 >
55 > The header is part of the payload, so can be whatever the user decides
56 > to put in, simply fake some a set of relay lines, and how do you know?
57 >
58 > Rob.
59
60 Yes, you can insert headers before you send the message, but the SMTP
61 server which receives the message for local delivery always has the
62 final word. In this case pigeon.gentoo.org has added its headers to the
63 "proof of concept" message and we can see that the mail "from me@Gmail"
64 was actually sent from elsewhere.
65
66
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68 Best regards,
69 Daniel
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