Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design

[David W Noon]

On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:00:01 +0200, Mick wrote about [gentoo-user] Re:
Threads changing  Was: OT: website design:

>David W Noon wrote:
[snip]
>> I hope all is clear now.
>
>... as mud!
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>This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in
>Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message.  :@
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>PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server,
>to see what difference this may make.

Well, here are some interesting header lines from my message to which
you are replying:

Message-ID: <h07vY-7fk-13@×××××××××××××.it>

References: <gZYsG-h5-21@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-15@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-17@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-19@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-21@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-23@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-25@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-27@×××××××××××××.it> <gZYsG-h5-23@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-29@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-31@×××××××××××××.it>

X-Original-Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@××××××.local>

X-Original-References: <gZXPY-7QA-21@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-3@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-5@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-7@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-9@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-11@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-13@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rs-2L8-15@×××××××××××××.it>
	<gZXPY-7QA-23@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h04Rr-2L8-1@×××××××××××××.it>
	<h05ku-3FK-7@×××××××××××××.it>

The X-Original-Message-ID: line is a rewrite of the original Message-ID:
line Claws-Mail assigned when I wrote the message.  The Message-ID:
line is the replacement generated by the bofh.it list server.  These
both look quite kosher.

Now, when we look at the References: and X-Original-References: lines,
we see that the list server has rewritten the message id's of all the
messages referred to earlier in the thread.  I find this a little
strange, as it seems that the message id's sent to Usenet differ from
the ones sent via email.

If we now look at the innards of your message, the one to which I am
currently replying, we see this:

References: <gZYsG-h5-21@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-15@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-17@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-19@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-21@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-23@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-25@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-27@×××××××××××××.it> <gZYsG-h5-23@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-29@×××××××××××××.it> <h07vY-7fk-31@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h07vY-7fk-13@×××××××××××××.it>

X-Original-References: <gZXPY-7QA-21@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h04Rs-2L8-3@×××××××××××××.it> <h04Rs-2L8-5@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h04Rs-2L8-7@×××××××××××××.it> <h04Rs-2L8-9@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h04Rs-2L8-11@×××××××××××××.it> <h04Rs-2L8-13@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h04Rs-2L8-15@×××××××××××××.it> <gZXPY-7QA-23@×××××××××××××.it>
 <h04Rr-2L8-1@×××××××××××××.it> <h05ku-3FK-7@×××××××××××××.it>
 <20110604232200.36c03637@××××××.local>

The last message id in your X-Original-References: line has used my
original message id, not the one from the Message-ID: line generated by
the Gentoo list server.  This should not cause problems, as the better
mail and news readers should only use In-Reply-To: and References:
header lines for the initial threading.

I should point out that I always post by SMTP to
gentoo-user@l.g.o, and never through an NNTP server (not
even my own).  This means that you should not see my original
Message-ID: line, except after it has been rewritten and replaced by
the list server.

So, why is KNode using my original message id for its References: line?

Could you please look at the Message-ID: and X-Original-Message-ID:
lines in my previous message and compare them to those I posted above?
-- 
Regards,

Dave  [RLU #314465]
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dwnoon@××××××××.com (David W Noon)
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