Gentoo Archives: www-redesign

From: Aaron Shi <aaron@××××××××.com>
To: www-redesign@l.g.o
Subject: RE: [www-redesign] Site Map
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:43:07
In Reply to: [www-redesign] Site Map by Michael Curtis Napier
Here's some feedback on the live new site.  I'm very short on time (and it's
very late) so please bear with me.

The top portion where the sitemap link is now, is supposed to be the url of
the current site.  It is a site level indicator, because we will have many
sites such as,, etc., that indicator will
tell the user which site they're on.

Please follow the design templates with regards to headings, lists, bullets,
paragraphs, etc.    

The Main Index page: "what's new" - wrong font; the headlines/excerpts - no
hr bar; date column - missing bg, main nav - please follow structure as
outlined by Sven...too many items and things blow up on smallers screens.
The actual news article page is supposed to look like a Guide Page Template,
with the article title, author, excerpt, date in the purple box, and the
full article below.  The 3 jump pads are supposed to be only present on the
Main Index page and no where else.  

Other pages: main headings - wrong font...supposed to be the green ones as
per Guide Page Template; subheadings - wrong font and there isn't supposed
to be a green arrow...supposed to be purple as per GPT.  The layout is
completely broken in IE, I realize you're trying the author list in sidebar
layout, but what happened to the doc bar and the section indicators?  

One of the main problems with the current (old) site is navigating the site,
going up/down the information chain, etc., by getting rid of the interface I
put in place in the new design, we're back to square one.  There is no way
of going up one level unless someone starts over from the top level down
again.  I.e. Home > some main category > some subcategory > some article >
some page of article, if you're reading the article page, you can't go to
any of the levels between it and Home, unless you go Home (or to a main
category level) and dig your way all the way back down to where you
want...does that make sense?  The interface that was in the design template
is crucial to avoiding this problem.  The site level indicator tells the
user which site he's one and provides an easy way to go back to top level,
the section indicators tell the user which section he's in, the breadcrumbs
allows for navigation anywhere within the chain of info flow...all these
things work together like a GPS...  

Here's a test, suppose someone who has never been to the Gentoo site saw a
screenshot of page in a magazine, but no URL cause the magazine editor cut
out the browser location bar.  Can he easily arrive at the same place as in
the screenshot with no full URL anywhere at all?  With the new design, all
they have to do is look at the site level indicator (,, whatever) and enter that into their browser, look at the
section indicator to find the main category and click that on the main nav
bar, look at the breadcrumbs and get to where they need to go, and finally
the article title and main headings will get them to the exact
page/paragraph.  That's something that's impossible with both the current
site and Michael's current live new site.

Furthermore, if the template guidelines are not followed, then the print CSS
won't work as it is based on cascading after the other CSS and overwriting
the necessary rules.

I haven't had time to make the changes requested with regards to how to
display long lists of authors and finalizing the code segment displays.
Once I do that, I will create a design and style usage guideline for
templating work.  In the mean time, Michael's done a good job giving us a
live environment to preview, but please for the time being follow the
templates that I created.  Do not change the nature of the templates or the
functionality of the site, but rather present the content using the
templates already created.  I thought since the code is all structure based
now that we've stripped presentation into CSS, it would be clear what
elements are used for what (i.e. h1 for doc title, h2 for main headings, h3
for subheadings, etc.), but I should've probably created more documentation
to detail their usage.

Btw, that site map is huge!!!  Wow.  I think we're going to have to figure
out a way to display all that info, but it's a good start.  At least now we
know what we're up against.  ;)

Keep up the good work Michael, I realize this probably isn't the feedback
you're looking for, but it's important to make sure the foundations are
right before we go ahead and build the rest of the house.  ;)


> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Curtis Napier [mailto:curtis119@×××××.com] > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:27 PM > To: www-redesign@l.g.o > Subject: [www-redesign] Site Map > > I started on the Site Map today. I am the coach of my oldest > kid's basketball team and we had practice today so I couldn't > put as much time into it as I had hoped. I have the > Documentation section to a workable point. I'm not going any > further with this until I get some feedback. > > The Site Map is an index to the entire gentoo site. Part of > this redesign is to "redesign" the way the site is layed out. > Not just visually but how the pages are grouped togeter as well. > > I propose that each major category of the Site Map be a link > to that categories index. This index will be a short > description of what you can find in this category and a > category index. In essence, each category index is just the > Site Map with actual content pages linked from it. The > category index will have no real information other than to > index it's contents. > > Once I get some feedback on the layout of this map I will > start creating the rest of it and the individual category index's. > > > > The Site Map is linked to in the upper right hand corner of each page. > It replaces the link to The upper right > gentoo logo already takes you there anyway. > -- > www-redesign@g.o mailing list > > >
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