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From: Brady Catherman <bradyc@××××××.edu>
To: gentoo-cluster@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-cluster] High-Availability Howto for Gentoo
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:10:24
Message-Id: B1E2B7F4-7C7B-4091-9056-29D1FDB327FF@uidaho.edu
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-cluster] High-Availability Howto for Gentoo by busby@edoceo.com
1 Clarifying the differences would hep a bunch. I have talked with
2 several 'cluster' admins that had no clue about high performance
3 clustering.
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5 If you call Cisco and tell them you are running a cluster they will
6 try to sell you a switch with high inbound/outbound traffic but piss
7 poor inter-port communication speeds. They try to make there switches
8 run really fast for things like HA clusters but fall short on
9 performance clusters (where everything talks to everything). Also,
10 techniques like Flat Neighborhood Networks are pointless on a HA
11 cluster but can be a god send on HPC clusters. These subtle
12 differences are actually much larger than people realize.
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14 If you are planning on writing a MPI programming guide you are
15 looking at a bunch of writing. Parallel programming regardless of the
16 API used is tricky. Communication methods, shared resource processing
17 and the like make parallel programming more of an art form than just
18 another API to use.
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20 One last question for you all.. Why is distcc so popular? We used it
21 on our 134 node cluster and it actually made compiling much slower
22 than just running it on one of the nodes. The network overhead killed
23 the performance gain. The only way we found that it helped was
24 writing the makefile itself to take advantage of parallelism. Is this
25 uncommon for most people?
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30 On Apr 11, 2006, at 7:47 AM, busby@××××××.com wrote:
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32 >> Hanni Ali wrote:
33 > [ Snip ]
34 >> Maybe a split in HA-Clustering, HPC-clustering and large-scale
35 >> sysadmin
36 >> with gentoo.
37 >> The large-scale sysadmin is overlapping for both, HA can be
38 >> usefull in
39 >> smaller setups, HPC is seldomly used in small setup AFAIK
40 > [ Snip ]
41 >
42 > I agree; different topics different sections.
43 > I'd like to see something like:
44 >
45 > Gentoo Cluster Handbook
46 > I. Sys Admin Requirements - What reader must know before moving
47 > forward
48 > (maybe describe clustering types here?)
49 > II. SysAdmin for Clusters - tools/support servers/etc
50 > III. HA Clustering - web/email failover/etc
51 > IV. HPC Clustering - batch processing/etc
52 > V. Intro to MPI - Merge the other MPI howto and add some?
53 >
54 > And of course each volume is full of useful information
55 >
56 > /djb
57 >
58 > --
59 > gentoo-cluster@g.o mailing list
60 >
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Re: [gentoo-cluster] High-Availability Howto for Gentoo Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@g.o>