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On 17/12/12 06:23 PM, William Hubbs wrote: |
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> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: |
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>> Can this topic finally be put to rest please? There is a whole |
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>> web page devoted to this topic, why do people blindly ignore it? |
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> This is a very good question. |
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Please! |
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(that is, after this final clarification of the eudev team's stance) |
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> Also, yes, eudev believes they will be able to fix it. |
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No. |
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1 - The developers of eudev (at least some of us) believe we can push |
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to at least try and get the various separate-/usr issues fixed via |
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bugs and patches to the packages that cause them. |
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2 - Eudev developers believe we can ensure that there is a *udev* that |
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supports separate-/usr without initramfs.[**] This doesn't mean that |
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we think there is any way for udev to fix the whole separate-/usr |
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issue, but we certainly know that udev can be configured to not cause |
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it on its own. |
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3 - There are still many system configurations that have no issues |
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running with separate-/usr, despite the potential for bugs or |
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conflicts to occur. Via #2 we intend to easily allow systems with |
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such configurations to continue doing it their way. |
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To summarize, the eudev team knows that breakages caused by |
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separate-/usr without an initramfs are not trivial and are not |
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something that changes in eudev will magically fix. Further, we |
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acknowledge that separate-/usr support in systemd-udev isn't "broken" |
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in specific binary terms, either (although the gentoo packages of |
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~sys-fs/udev-185 through 196-r1 are; sys-fs/udev packaging choices |
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isn't a conversation we need to re-hash either though). |
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So I hope the above alleviates the concerns of GregKH, WilliamH and |
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other respected developers, that the eudev team really is aware of the |
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complexity of the issues and do not have their heads stuck in the |
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clouds regarding separate-/usr support. |
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** the eudev codebase does need something to compensate for the |
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removal of the failed rules queue, as that was the method that used to |
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be leveraged to handle re-running rules that needed something in /usr |
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when /usr wasn't available. This is part of what differentiates eudev |
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from systemd-udev, as this codepatch would most likely fall into the |
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category of "exotic configurations" for which systemd plans to reject |
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patches. |
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For more eudev-specific discussion, especially development or |
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technical discussions, please join us on eudev@g.o rather than |
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- -dev@ |
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